Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:40:33 -0700 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> To: Nicole <nicole@unixgirl.com> Cc: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resourceful BSD/Linux Network Administrator Message-ID: <40E60081.1040300@softweyr.com> In-Reply-To: <XFMail.040702105654.nicole@unixgirl.com> References: <XFMail.040702105654.nicole@unixgirl.com>
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Nicole wrote:
> On 02-Jul-04 My Homeland Security Spies reported that Lee Crites said:
>
>>On Friday July 2 2004 04:12, Paul Robinson wrote:
>>
>>>Translation: we're going to work you like a dog and not apologise for it or
>>>even thank you for dealing with the chaotic sh**hole that is our company.
>>>Also, note the lack of details relating to remuneration. So they're going
>>>to pay you close to nothing to boot. And it requires you to move to New
>>>Jersey!
>
>>>These guys really aren't selling this position, and personally I'm offended
>>>that they think the people on freebsd-jobs would be anything but
>>>professional in their approach, and need to be reminded that they shouldn't
>>>"coast".
>>>
>>>Is there a perception out there that we're all looking to sit around
>>>picking our noses whilst reading slashdot?
>
> Well.. yea. When was the last time you tried to hire a sysadmin? Especially to
> work for a small company that perhaps isn't on the top of the pay scale.
> Frankly the time of a company having to "sell" a position is still gone.
> Its you grok unix? You want eat? Why we hire you? Ug.
>
> [...]
>
> I see it as someone who is trying to fill a position and is perhaps using the
> "are you up for a challenge" approach. Are you good enough? That sort of
> thing. Yes this may scare off a few people who will not read it that way but
> it sounds like he's a bit frustrated. The last time I had to hire someone out
> of 300 applications NONE ran a BSD or any other Nix box at home. As far as
> they were concerned if it wasn't in their colleges lab, or at their last
> employer it didn't exist. Many said or implied "If the company expects me to
> learn something then they will teach me or send me to school or at the
> very least buy my books or training manuals." Ask them if they read up on
> things and yes many will say, "well I read slash dot." (see above)
My first impression was exactly the same as Paul's. I refrained from
replying in similar fasion because firstly, I don't want to drive
prospective employers away from this mailing list, and second because
such a discussion really isn't in the scope of this mailing list. I
also didn't reply directing the discussion to -chat because I'm just
too lazy to do that. ;^)
I *have* directed the reply-to for this message to chat@, where a
discussion like this really belongs. Please, if you want to reply,
follow the discussion there, OK?
Let's give this guy a break. He probably is looking for good people who
want to work, offering someone the opportunity to work on FreeBSD
instead of Winders and still feed the family. These days, that makes
him more hero than goat in my book. Maybe he should adopt and modify
the old US Army recruiting slogan: "BSD all you can BSD."
--
Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?
Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com
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