From nobody Fri Aug 8 21:51:23 2025 X-Original-To: dev-commits-src-all@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bzHmH3g9Jz64Bsw; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 21:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steffen@sdaoden.eu) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bzHmH0Rsfz3pDk; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 21:51:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steffen@sdaoden.eu) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sdaoden.eu; s=citron; t=1754689884; x=1755356550; h=date:author:from:to:cc:subject: message-id:in-reply-to:references:mail-followup-to:openpgp:blahblahblah: mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:author:from:subject: date:to:cc:resent-author:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender:resent-to: resent-cc:resent-reply-to:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:references: mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition: content-id:content-description:message-id:mail-followup-to:openpgp: blahblahblah; bh=LppT6EJJML8ycFSpFmPFaMx7dv00JptaOLOFhXri3xU=; b=NLmm8PtPZmf/lcCT3EGn2RQleFejmFztDmL2UTq6DV8i+VPB2vfEyPC564wZmWeCZJZByl7U fW9Y8hM8Nr9QWd/zJEOwSRFEZTVrtvi0Z0vKBSTVc9nS9RYndAoPu95EBORIZnurq7vc3ohplr kIBkV++i/wOZoYoZvHLY0BpvZQ1fQdnK50qJCQGBfOTHk1UqKX6/XMO04K4EGiNwfV7jJFkrUG 3cJfnBJtYELb1fpLXHfMM7tUfaY9ZFG2f70uS/LXmEWJh1C/WwNqZcL8BaB8HdShS6m+qsCOCL iiTJoqfVGJfWBssuthuq0/glaIwZmITFFPv8l/Bsh76kxPNg== Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 23:51:23 +0200 Author: Steffen Nurpmeso From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: "Simon J. Gerraty" Cc: , , Subject: Re: git: 5c4d1c85847d - main - Replace license with just SPDX BSD-2-Clause Message-ID: <20250808215123.84IbzAAL@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <6150.1754608305@kaos.jnpr.net> References: <202508072215.577MFjpx011932@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <20250807223124.2tsDIUvh@steffen%sdaoden.eu> <6150.1754608305@kaos.jnpr.net> Mail-Followup-To: "Simon J. Gerraty" , , , User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.25-689-gca7cfb3bd1-dirty OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the src repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-src-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org Sender: owner-dev-commits-src-all@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bzHmH0Rsfz3pDk X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15987, ipnet:217.144.128.0/20, country:DE] Hello Simon, thanks. Simon J. Gerraty wrote in <6150.1754608305@kaos.jnpr.net>: |Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |>| Replace license with just SPDX BSD-2-Clause |>=20 |> That is very interesting! And .. are you really sure this is |> right with BSD etc licenses which explicitly require that the |> license text is included? |> So i looked and found [1] which says | |I checked with one of our IP lawyers who said just the SPDX tag "should" |suffice, but best to remove the verbage that conflicts. | |> SPDX IDs are intending to express information about |> licenses. Copyright notices =E2=80=90 statements about who owns the |> copyright in a file or project =E2=80=90 are outside the scope of SPDX |> short-form IDs. |> Therefore, you should not remove or modify existing copyright |> notices in files when adding an SPDX ID. | |Except that in this case the verbage I removed is sufficiently different |from the text of https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-2-Clause.html |as to potentially trigger arguments - so better safe that sorry, |and I hate the idea of a file which is 90% license, which is why I had |that abbreviated version in the first place. | |If the lawyer says I can get away with just the tag, that works for me. This sounds complicated enough to keep on going with the full regalia here. |> However i am sure you do not do something like this "just like |> that", and would be very interested -- it would be nice to be able |> to vaporise the file header -- i always have that pitfall moment |> when i look into Plan9 / 9front source code, which then simply |> starts off (and very often with "#include ", just like that). | |ISTR the original BSD convention was to not waste space on copyrights in |tiny files, I was forced into putting licenses on everything by some of |my consulting clients back in the '90s And you were improving there. |HTH |--sjg --End of <6150.1754608305@kaos.jnpr.net> --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) | |During summer's humble, here's David Leonard's grumble | |The black bear, The black bear, |blithely holds his own holds himself at leisure |beating it, up and down tossing over his ups and downs with pleasure | |Farewell, dear collar bear