From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 20 13:24:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17977 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:24:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vixa.voyager.net (vixa.voyager.net [198.109.136.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17886 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:23:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kib@poboxes.com) Received: from kib ([209.153.178.194]) by vixa.voyager.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA25986; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01fd01bd842b$40859b80$023aa8c0@kib.kib.net> Reply-To: "Jason" From: "Jason" To: "John Kelly" , "Atipa" Cc: "Jan B. Koum " , Subject: Re: Why we should support Microsoft... Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:09:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Mon, 18 May 1998 15:02:56 -0600 (MDT), Atipa >wrote: > > >Not necessarily. > >Cisco has achieved 80% monopoly in the Internet router market, but >without using illegal tying contracts and other practices prohibited >by the antitrust laws. As long as they act lawfully while creating a >monopoly, the law does not judge it as bad. > What was illegal about the contracts that MS are "forcing by gun point" on PC manufacturers? I mean it doesn't prevent them from totally customizing the OS to look like they want? It also doesn't keep them from loading other apps if they want. things like that might be ilegal but nothing like that was done. IE has been in Windows since Windows 95 4.00. Its wasn't as intregrated until version 4.1 but what does that have to do with anything. Netscape can create the same thing if they like. > >An OS which drives net commerce is quickly becoming a basic need. Very true...and MS sees this and is buying up all the parts to the new commerce. Thats why they are buing cable, telcos, and others because they know thats where the future (and money) is. I would do the same thing if in a simular position. > >Microsoft, OTOH, has acted unlawfully. Tying contracts, exclusive >dealing, and other bad practices, not to mention shoddy products, are >their standard operating procedure. Therefore, the law judges them as >bad, deserving of severe punishment, up to and including destruction. > > I would like to see proof of this "tying contracts, exclusive dealing" It has never been documented as far as I have seen. And I have been listening to the DOJ for almost a year on this. Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message