From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Dec 5 22:48:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714FAC68E3C for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D361F8E for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 4E4CDC68E3B; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3B2C68E3A for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22f.google.com (mail-io0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14F1D1F8D; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id l140so9612017iol.3; Mon, 05 Dec 2016 14:48:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=kAte6xkF6veYpNoYjW5X2rza0t4YfK8t8MNdbJYiMj4=; b=Q9wMX0Wt6AGGpkWAtwhSuXs/mRBpH+okLJbBFPO3QB9ZN7C0z02Shw6PEyot94X98o va57C0kiriNWmILMIJBah6k0a+0KP5l6uHNIUON3ctOAZ1Mn6mUUE7J5o6HjdiYmO5bV KRAVjUM+1rfwXAsEXbBv9ddtuczazDJqT6hPr7W+gOyhMKN4bDuJUECnfSDNUh4eceuK j99o/ENkhzhsW26InqkFw/eljcXiHCgNmGyY5UNiTFrZKaIuRjFGJqeknZn0zk1ci/aE 4hSnAQznueWjCMMm+ut5N9/MisA/YPkoSfqkCqvd4u4GiT9xQheZ71UjWedQd9HhwEXT iWGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=kAte6xkF6veYpNoYjW5X2rza0t4YfK8t8MNdbJYiMj4=; b=Yem5AeLomSyPA6Nkj9vlLpq+BRU4Qs8pLbP64+Pk7szgsAcTMue5QpayHanwOXu4gF mKk76MY0rHgeQhk/PxgZwqUjiFE+TPXWThfzQ68Zs0Rj7+66htTnw2RlxOpVestQCkqX qcO6Ui0WA0U2xbvTv7EY8en2dmHVQNorl+zFtQt1p9+x/2bkEO5REVxtLgFBNYcH/h7k d45P8u4IchPK8Y3DYBx3uVMw77rG4TaGnlq38H/W/WlmD0vuR6C2SJw5oBcdvk43BWwH JLdtTEJEC3B0dh15n42vnrylUBTAfttwERUei3XpMrzzsZUS5HyLRuJicxCkF3f/iXkk 8Qyg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC02lyzcUxUz/44Sf40xhkKOydUj50VUNI+lEsyc3y5zKvyzJAhOgNKEtQsM4MFoAckn2Gs4eX6l8FhkVcw== X-Received: by 10.107.19.164 with SMTP id 36mr52877150iot.155.1480978111195; Mon, 05 Dec 2016 14:48:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7c73fc75-b4d9-063d-02f9-628e06f8d4bd@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <7c73fc75-b4d9-063d-02f9-628e06f8d4bd@freebsd.org> From: Ben Woods Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 22:48:20 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: what is the purpose of the quarterly ports branches? To: Julian Elischer , "ports@FreeBSD.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 22:48:32 -0000 On Tue., 6 Dec. 2016 at 4:44 am, Julian Elischer wrote: > they are effectively useless because the results are not archived, and > the quarterly pkg branch actually changes day by day, so making two > machines from the same quarterly branch can give you different > machines (making it useless for paying work) > > not to mention that if you use the quarterly pkg branch you run he > risk of it completely changing if you happen to be unlucky enough to > be doing it across a quarterly boundary. then you end up with a > completely messed up system. (from experience). > > > SO a couple of things.. new quarterly pkg releases should have > different names and be pointed to by a symlink or something. Other > wise you can't avoid the smashed system problem. (half the pkgs from > one quarter and the other half from the previous one, which you can't > find any more. > > > But the big question still remains.. > > What do you think you are solving and why are they changing? shouldn't > a snapshot be stable? > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I believe the concept is simply: provide a set of ports that does not change for 3 months, with the exception of security updates and fixes for broken functionality. It also offers a certain degree of predictability: you shouldn't see a big set of pkg updates until the new calendar quarter, when you can plan for it. Regards, Ben