From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 2 20:27:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC7BBAAFE for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2019 20:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 460dxS4KMMz4Sgs for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2019 20:27:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1564777625; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=13xGAOFDCdQ2njHx/FrHHVbdNL7j2XyAD0aVjV9jwW4=; b=lsLN6oZI+H0xhD5z0rUZuW3cxvQgUELP5Cf+pZcthM6++vuZo/NPiE3T+899jbpF4H 2sLzVIyGTUCAtbOWaS0waKIaU638roB4dZquxehYrGyKLUUrACqZkTROEw8XV4ToHOld XdjX2YVEq7urTAohxlkcS13yAR7z3wmrGYoeyxZdKiMt+VMHVQ/YLSl6hIBL01OJNO04 VkIggns6IoWCMmKoekM8fZc0vECCDaEykwRKCY3FX6UHyEnt4clmr3mHEXV9tVrfkn7v 1OA/r7cCpGFn+/V9hAU948mCwEOYJ/l+TxEfQ9hJuq0MzQrDm3pXTfiGOXLntBlDIJ1e JuXQ== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+ARdaXvxIDf7nlw=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.24 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e0059dv72KR5ZB5 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Fri, 2 Aug 2019 22:27:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hte8m-00006y-JF; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:27:04 +0200 Received: from lee by toy.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hte8m-0001JN-8q; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:27:04 +0200 From: hw To: Polytropon Cc: Robert Huff , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: thunderbird in German? In-Reply-To: <20190802050200.dd286e57.freebsd@edvax.de> (Polytropon's message of "Fri, 2 Aug 2019 05:02:00 +0200") Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 21:44:15 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <877e7v9wts.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91bw4mx.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190731012754.3783a859.freebsd@edvax.de> <23873.2939.410268.920612@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20190731225154.82dcb0ae.freebsd@edvax.de> <87h8705waf.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190802050200.dd286e57.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 460dxS4KMMz4Sgs X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=lsLN6oZI; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lee@adminart.net has no SPF policy when checking 2a01:238:20a:202:5300::2) smtp.mailfrom=lee@adminart.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.879,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.74)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.26), asn: 6724(-0.45), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 20:27:09 -0000 Polytropon writes: > On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 00:57:12 +0200, hw wrote: >> Polytropon writes: > [...] >> Changing Firefox wasn't a problem, other than that I wish I could do >> that site-wide for all users rather than having to do it for each user. >> Why don't these programs just honor the language settings of the >> environment? > > Yes, that is really a problem, because so many other programs do > it the right way; even temporary invocation in a different language > is not a problem for "old" programs. For example, if you set a > system-wide variable that applies to all users, that language > variable should be honored. I see multi-language support as a > great feature especially in FreeBSD, where I can use programs > in the language I prefer, and that might be vary among the > programs running in one session (for example, Sylpheed uses the > english language, while LibreOffice uses the german one). Libreoffice seems to be bad as well because you have to go into the settings and change it before you get the language you have already set. I usually don't notice whether it's English or German, but the users will freak out as if it would make a difference (which it doesn't because they don't know what they're doing anyway). This kinda reminds me of Gnome with which it is impossible to even add a program starter. It's already entirely useless because it doesn't even have a usable window manager, but who would expect that you can't do something basic like adding a start button or a menu entry. I had to switch a machine ever to KDE because of that. There's just nothing better than fvwm ...