From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 08:22:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 696586A5 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 08:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from filter.blacknosugar.com (filter.blacknosugar.com [212.13.204.214]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22E721016 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 08:22:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=littlebluecar.co.uk; s=dkim; h=Subject:To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=m3keYuXtjOZD959wB/2LRUEvsEHQJLlT9B6Xjbm066c=; b=l6okegEWdUmnwhhITYr5skMh6I0zd7fot8ja0az4V/gud3nf09OX96ECvtxR8TIRGJY3e/fKqJOAe9wNurH7HcYJtHhn7S/CwCalhGVQhOCOCKr9ySvMeEK/hchvbu3a; Received: from w-121.cust-19448.ip.static.uno.uk.net ([95.172.231.121] helo=[192.168.40.101]) by filter.blacknosugar.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1XP5U0-000PYD-L8 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 09:00:01 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Melissa Jenkins In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 08:59:54 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 95.172.231.121 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: melissa-freebsd@littlebluecar.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on filter.blacknosugar.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on filter.blacknosugar.com) X-Testing: Hello! X-Testing: Hello! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 08:22:40 -0000 On 2 Sep 2014, at 13:00, freebsd-stable-request@freebsd.org wrote: > It gets more interesting if you have to deal with manufacturing > processes (something we're looking to use FreeBSD for to replace our > current OpenVMS systems before they go out of support), as often > automatons write data to external databases and such software resides > in PLC's. Manufacturing equipment tends to age and the kind of > external databases they support is limited to what was available when > they were new and the capabilities of the PLC involved. This caused us some problems, for example ports/packages that were not = backwards compatible with externally integrated clients. Or which don=92t= work without IPv6 or that have changed so much you can=92t patch them = with your local changes. I resolved the problem by installing a blank 8.3, installing the pkg_* = version, then upgrading to pkgng and producing .xz file that I could = install on the live boxes. Bit of a pain but it does work. Like others here I was expecting a FreeBSD EOL - which is generally = harmful only from a security point of view (and can normally be managed = with patches). The whole pkg/ports changeover has been rather final and = abrupt and has resulted in quite a lot of unexpected expense to some of = my clients. Perhaps I just did =93it" wrong?! Mel=