From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Sat Jun 20 20:12:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF2B3335AD for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 20:12:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x844.google.com (mail-qt1-x844.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::844]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49q6Kb0QHrz3VvV for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 20:12:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x844.google.com with SMTP id o38so1189330qtf.6 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:12:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GEOM2NkEGDFP39zVdVbosQRoJD7kY+0kG4XxC+9nCaA=; b=qmoNA4S3Z9i0Bfgqttgmb+3YI+ttJd5FJ2S5QUNPjZO+T0yZfJOUMNTCsKuMHI+GX6 HMS3//4RONQ9uKJlh0kicPdlKuDK7x9QvMvpNYWHDlJXX7iLUypNisd4JHzyjpThNr3Z tix1cvwz3PG8PS05mFCspr0aN1Q3m0wMEcXZUeFWPpk93z1bF2d2UIksqqLFIjc3kfNp eaWs3TvjwAExU9a/svwPEztWJ1agOQRx5EKsWomNzn/Gg21BIW1DveAPUhPc7MZuRB1g XgdRNbsYjntv05wvtzZp3nnisC5IxggA0moVgEREwVdbaPA+6GiRIHScwLJah63rsu3h KmzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GEOM2NkEGDFP39zVdVbosQRoJD7kY+0kG4XxC+9nCaA=; b=lbMrobZ9xL0i8Vsw01UyNPuNzZG5XS+VpJ23gJsVNLZMrGB49C9dv4RSv96Uxv2kBz 7SdW3mBmTg2fFzoYbEdN++0rgLY5MbysYE0bGX48UPvZR9qKMtjl4DIcOdIl2gnhr0en yv6KbkRbiHunRyG4Ld1O0FSy7BHY2pgKSM+VenlyKC8UaotEazBhQ6Cof44VZR+luVur ZhQadwUMzPD3Enap2r+5Fkasco/1jv0pXRkKO2vwEiBLGRUh/iT8EPFdnnrF3yGTYVJU AFPwZL79rYjJp9DW0qAIan7edD4Dc/LUqLV0j4Q0z4hduOQ2SPYlxuPM6uvXOVusq692 sAnA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533MBEZKTfKHC9fDuXCK8Sba8gbWMZ72xmBERAuc6hFiweBKLKlB 8p3UECwA5AZLW85JgzZy/TkEN5T4YLcDkVAWPG61Gg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwVHezaY4uzAmESnw7k4qrnPs2xkgLBNYgf5ngxlsopbO52Kl4qY4Sk2NkbM61IDJB82Xp/A6vnwrx5t/lSGZo= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:1082:: with SMTP id a2mr7336477qtj.32.1592683954084; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:12:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202006201110.05KBAZBU099451@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <3bab2cbf-c221-7d18-5257-2d3971975558@selasky.org> <93ca6b8e4c1f8a76ea6ad602591dcd2e39c2d89c.camel@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <93ca6b8e4c1f8a76ea6ad602591dcd2e39c2d89c.camel@freebsd.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 14:12:23 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r362422 - head/sbin/dump To: Ian Lepore Cc: Hans Petter Selasky , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Warner Losh , src-committers , svn-src-all , svn-src-head X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49q6Kb0QHrz3VvV X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=qmoNA4S3; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::844) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.72 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.52)[-0.515]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.57)[-0.571]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[svn-src-all@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.64)[-0.636]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::844:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 20:12:35 -0000 On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 12:46 PM Ian Lepore wrote: > On Sat, 2020-06-20 at 07:57 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:27 AM Hans Petter Selasky > wrote: > > > > > On 2020-06-20 13:10, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > Author: imp > > > > > Date: Sat Jun 20 04:19:17 2020 > > > > > New Revision: 362422 > > > > > URL:https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/362422 > > > > > > > > > > Log: > > > > > Increase the whimsy in this file by famring dump's work out to > > > > > > minions. Adjust > > > > > variables accordingly. Thankfully, we are able to do this > without > > > > > > additional > > > > > banana expenditures. > > > > > > > > This flys in the face of its intent and as a "commit" is more > > > > racially biased than the code was! > > > > > > > > > > Hi Warner, > > > > > > Maybe a stupid question, but is this the correct meaning or description > > > of minion? > > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=minions > > > > > > minion; plural noun: minions > > > > > > a follower or underling of a powerful person, especially a servile > > > or unimportant one. > > > "he gets oppressed minions like me to fob them off" > > > > > > "Minion" is still a person, like "slave" is, so I must say I agree with > > > Rodney about this, I don't see how this makes it any better? Can you > > > explain? > > > > > > > For me, Minions come from the Despicable Me movies and sequels. They work > > for Gru, who pays them for their services. They love Bananas and often do > > crazy things for a banana. They work for Gru willingly. They are free to > > leave at any time. They are sad at the prospect of Gru having to lay them > > off. > > > > Minions are also, as you point out, employed by the powerful to > accomplish > > things. Key word here is 'employed'. Servile doesn't mean 'involuntary > > servitude' but rather 'an excessive willingness to please.' Underling > means > > only that them are below them on the org chart. There's no inherent > > implication of an abusive relationship, per se, though that happens as in > > any power relationship between people. > > > > And the extensive searching I did before the commit showed no complaints > > about the movies, or that this term had some coded, racist history. Or > any > > other coded history that's problematic. Or any overt history for that > > matter. > > > > SaltStack uses it as their name for agents that carry out tasks, for > > example. > > > > So what am I missing? > > > > Common sense, apparently > Not helpful. However, I've had a couple other, private email messages that were helpful and gave the context I was missing. I've reverted. Warner