From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 18:35:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from notrecords.com (228-121.ppp.ripco.net [209.100.228.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781091522E for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aphor@ripco.com) Received: from ripco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by notrecords.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01241 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:35:09 GMT (envelope-from aphor@ripco.com) Message-ID: <37FD03FD.B719EC7C@ripco.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 20:35:09 +0000 From: Jeremy McMillan Reply-To: aphor@ripco.com Organization: Loose.. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pardon me if I make a suggestion, but we need to distinguish between newbies and lamers. We are users who are part of a development community. We advocate FreeBSD to people who live in caves and eat bugs. Then we get all freaked out when the cave-dwellers don't understand the system. A newbie may deserve help on freebsd-stable: maybe being someone having trouble with following, building, or running a STABLE machine. A lamer is someone who cannot (because they will not) help themseves and will try to get you to do their work for them for free, so that they can do the same thing to someone else, after they screw up what you walked them through. grok my ascii Venn diagram (down with proportional font email!) /---------------------\ | Newbies | | /-----------------+---\ | | Newbie Lamers | | \---+-----------------/ | | Lamers | \---------------------/ The more newbies we help to avoid lamerdom, the bigger and better the FreeBSD following/community. The more lamers we waste our time (or grief) on, the less newbies we can help to avoid lamerdom. The more flames we direct at lamers, the more time and grief we waste on lamers. The solution is to have a document on the web which euphemistically explains how to help yourself do FreeBSD without calling anyone a lamer. It should tell newbies why it is rude to ask people on freebsd-stable how to configure ppp. -- PLEASE NOTICE: THERE MAY BE NOSPAM IN THE HEADERS WHEN YOU HIT "REPLY"!!! Jeremy McMillan | Ask for PGP-2.6.2 or 5.0i Chicago FreeBSD Users Group http://pages.ripco.com/~aphor/ChiFUG.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message