From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 9 21:42:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gershwin.tera.com (gershwin.tera.com [207.224.230.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDA037B66F for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thought.org (tao.sea.tera.com [207.108.223.55]) by gershwin.tera.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23807; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by thought.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9A4gN921138; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:42:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:42:22 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: David Kelly Cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bad IDE Drive Message-ID: <20001009214222.C20674@tao.thought.org> References: <200010100350.e9A3o9S04888@nospam.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200010100350.e9A3o9S04888@nospam.hiwaay.net>; from dkelly@hiwaay.net on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 10:50:09PM -0500 X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 10:50:09PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > Gary Kline writes: > > On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 04:40:13PM -0400, Robert wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I used to own a Compaq Proliant 800/850 (one of them) with an > > > internal > > > RAID 5 array with about 4 8gb Seagate Baracude(SCSI UW). I had two of the > > > drives fail on me after about 4 years, due to heat and just the > > > fact that we plain ran them into the ground. I have a feeling that these > > > new IDE drives, much like some old SCSI drives, have problems with > > > inadequate ventilation. Most of these new 7200 rpm drives (IDE) run VERY > > > hot and most people do not provide proper cooling for their computers. I > > > recommend to anyone who wants to extend the life of their ide > > > drives to purchase the "drive cooler" product from Antec. Not only do > > > they cool the drives down they have a protective dust shield where the > > > fans are so you dont contribute to dirtying the components. > > > > > > Can you explain more about these drive-coolers? URL's or > > whatever would help. > > Don't sweat the drive cooler stuff just yet. Go to Radio Shack, > Walmart, K-Mart, etc, and purchase an indoor/outdoor digital > thermometer, preferably one with a max/min function. $15 to $25. Mount > the outdoor probe on your HD. Then decide for yourself if the HD is too > hot. I have lots of fans, an extra blowing out, an extra blowing on the > HD. And the result is my FH 3.5" IBM SCSI 9G HD is running 15 degrees F > over room temperature. Currenlty its 94F on the HD. > > Without digging up manufacturer's specs about 115F to 120F is where I'd > start getting really worried. > Well, right now I'm not sweating anything. I have (and have had) extra fans in both my FBSD homebrew boxes. The e-machines had only one IDE and should be fine. But when I replace _this_ system with a new one, will it be okay with two extra devices crammed in? Good idea about the i/o thermometer, thanks. (I'm still buying more fans, whatever the temp reads... .) gary PS: My ancient Fujitsu got so hot that I couldn't touch it... > -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service Unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message