From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Jul 10 0: 0:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C531C37B409 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3246143E54 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from Master.gorean.org (master.gorean.org [10.0.0.2]) by 12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6A70LC6029457; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:00:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by Master.gorean.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g6A6XWHA006105; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:33:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Master.gorean.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:33:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Terry Lambert Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Package system flaws? In-Reply-To: <3D2A3E73.8A6BFA16@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020709232917.X5990-100000@master.gorean.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Barton wrote: > > > If it's good to put metadata in a file seperate from the data it > > > describes, then the judgement of "goodness" is universal. > > > > This I disagree with. Insert obligatory quote about "foolish consistency." > > > > > We do this because it makes the data and metadata non-severable, > > > > See a later post by me on this thread where I clearly state severability > > as a specific, and desirable goal for this application. > > Insert obligatory quote about "1 0wn y00r b0x". 8-). Blah... it would be very easy to make sure that the right two things are matched up. Also, if there are no instructions for what to do in the metadata file, there is no danger. > I give: What are the benefits of having to downlaod multiple > files, rather than a single file, via HTTP protocol? Well, for one we avoid all the ugly arguments about why we need to encode the metadata into archive/compressor/tarball/blahblah format X. Two, we allow users to see and view the files without having to "download" anything. Three, we can upgrade metadata seperately from the binaries when one changes but the other doesn't need to. Those are off the top of my head. > But be aware that we may have different ideas of the problem space... That's why I think we should still be discussing THAT, instead of possible solutions. One of the problems with this group is that everyone is eager to be the one who fixes things.... -- "We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory." - George W. Bush, President of the United States State of the Union, January 28, 2002 Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message