From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 30 15:50:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7C11065699 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002148FC25 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:50:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com [192.168.2.162]) (SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:50:15 -0400 id 00056403.0000000048E24AB7.00012FF4 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:50:14 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <20080930115014.45a0cd88.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <200809301537.m8UFbcrt044684@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <20080930151550.GA20490@omicron.my.domain> <200809301537.m8UFbcrt044684@lurza.secnetix.de> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Oliver Fromme , pierre.riteau@gmail.com Subject: Re: SSH Brute Force attempts X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:50:16 -0000 In response to Oliver Fromme : > Pierre Riteau wrote: > > > Because the 3-way handshake ensures that the source address is not being > > spoofed, more aggressive action can be taken based on these limits. > > s/not being spoofed/more difficult to spoofe/ ;-) On a modern OS (like FreeBSD) where ISNs are random, the possibility of blindly spoofing an IP during a 3-way handshake is so low as to be effectively impossible. Yes, it _can_ be done, but the effort required makes it not an effective method of attack. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ wmoran@collaborativefusion.com Phone: 412-422-3463x4023