From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 11 11:14:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF0C1065674 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7674C8FC15 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:14:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JZ2Qm-0000jy-Sh for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:14:04 +0000 Received: from 195.208.174.178 ([195.208.174.178]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:14:04 +0000 Received: from vadim_nuclight by 195.208.174.178 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:14:04 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: Vadim Goncharov Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.current Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Nuclear Lightning @ Tomsk, TPU AVTF Hostel Lines: 78 Message-ID: References: <200803091643.m29GhTxt075986@lurza.secnetix.de> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.208.174.178 X-Comment-To: Oliver Fromme User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (FreeBSD) Sender: news Subject: Re: RELEASE discs & ISO images (for future) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vadim_nuclight@mail.ru List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:14:12 -0000 Hi Oliver Fromme! On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:43:29 +0100 (CET); Oliver Fromme wrote about 'Re: RELEASE discs & ISO images (for future)': >> 7.0-RELEASE images came out with FIVE disks - disc 1 to 3 and separate LiveFS >> and docs. What do they contain? > - The small "bootonly" CD contains only sysinstall. > It can be used if you want to install from the network. As it was before, I knew it. > - Disk 1 contains everything you need to install the base > FreeBSD system, as well as a few useful packages. Yes. Which? > - Disk 2 and 3 just contain more packages. I remember working CD-changer while install, yeah. Several times while handling dependencies on first disc and second disc. Annoying. > - The "docs" CD only contains documentation: Handbook, > FAQ and articles in various languages. These are also > available online, so there's rarely a need to download > this CD. It's handy for novice users to have them in base system, though. > - The "livefs" CD contains the usual "fixit" live file > system. It is bootable on its own, so you do _not_ need > to download disk1 if you only want the livefs CD. Oh, so I don't need disc1 for livefs. Slightly better. > By the way, you can combine disk1 and the livefs image into > a single ISO image and write it onto a DVD-R. It won't fit > on a CD-R disk, though, and that's the reason why the > lifefs went onto a separate ISO image. If use DVD, then all 5 disks should be combined to it for convenience. >> I suspect this separation is due to sizes od docs etc. - but CD drives can now >> handle even 700 MBs of data, and disc1 for i386 occupies only 509M, though >> disc2 is 694M, yes. > As you can see, disk1 + livefs is larger than 700 MB. > The docs CD is separate anyway, which is a good thing > because many people won't need it. And what about removing packages from disc1 ? >> May be it is desirable to compress docs and other base system parts with >> bzip2 -9 instead of gzip? > What exactly would you propose to compress? Compressing > the docs isn't a good idea, because then you wouldn't be > able to read them directly from the CD. Also, as mentioned > above, the docs are already on a separate CD. Ideally, I want one combined disc1 + livefs + docs on a single disc1 CD. This can be achieved by: changing compression from gzip to bzip2 -9 for base system parts, and moving packages from disc1 to disc2. The latter has additional benefit of reducing CD-changing annoyance for user during install. There is also another idea to above: compress parts of livefs and/or docs on disc1 with geom_ugz, as it is read-only anyway. This is how done in Frenzy LiveCD from as old as 5.2.1-R times, allowing to fit entire base system and several packages on 200MB miniCD. >> P.S. And may be it is good also to resurrect miniinst disk for >> Depenguinator project? :) > Do you mean the "bootonly" CD? It's already there. Nope, "miniinst" as it was in 5.3, a 300-meg image with base-system only, allowing to install without network, as "bootonly", but ports should be installed from network - handy if ports are not needed. -- WBR, Vadim Goncharov. ICQ#166852181 mailto:vadim_nuclight@mail.ru [Moderator of RU.ANTI-ECOLOGY][FreeBSD][http://antigreen.org][LJ:/nuclight]