From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 4 16:12:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328693C72C7 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 16:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BjjP33Km6z4G9w for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 16:12:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BjjP13Z5HzFpFg for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 09:12:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1599235925; bh=mC+Wywh885kcr4ZAXVpG44G4gYc8gyMtfM7Z6/B/d6o=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=CfQdXe52yyxh2S0rOoLJ7QFiCNZ0ZDHDpWxC0O+7zFtAwTTINPN5A8M+CyT8D6UMm nj7G6ArLIKDxJFmz1pJp/3IMrtScgDZO7oXUIXIA95zvM5h+bXf5b3BIxVjWIwG8yQ 3j4gPhFfVtiMUf4V0/2rHZGH9STef6V2T8CMPaZg= X-Riseup-User-ID: 551E5EEF10B154CD296D8BB2D313A51C79988B20E5E60BC364DD3BE77C508C27 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BjjP06LGgz8sZv for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 09:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 18:12:05 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: proof that Linux is brain damaged Message-ID: <20200904181205.78cbb979@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200904104811.b08f24d8f0397e77cef01cbd@aim.com> References: <20200904104811.b08f24d8f0397e77cef01cbd@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BjjP33Km6z4G9w X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=CfQdXe52; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.90 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.990]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.316]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:12:08 -0000 On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 10:48:11 -0400, Vlad D. Markov wrote: >When criticizing systemd, I think the criticism should be directed at >the distributions forcing its use. Linux doesn't have much to do with >it. Apart from the embedded systems you described, it's probably not wise if a Linux distro diverts from using systemd, since systemd is quasi the standard init system and it's bundled with at least udev. Maintaining a different init system, while maintaining udev or something else from systemd, for usage without systemd, seems to me way to much effort, even when being in favour of Linux. However, if somebody is really that tired of Linux, as the OP is, I wouldn't care about Linux at all, especially not since the OP doesn't need to search for an operating system that fits to his needs. He already seems to be satisfied with FreeBSD, so there's no problem at all.