From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 22:31:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 926347E3 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-f174.google.com (mail-pd0-f174.google.com [209.85.192.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63B2F85E for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id w10so3920929pde.33 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:31:02 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=jQ3NYB56NqxkiMVpViMDIGbTj6EO2B9u/28DIN/jijQ=; b=Ptzt9ESNvDpqbHhwKZlab00SMWUL6qFkPEBcBX3QN1NQtadJx0yb75pzwMxOgst9C3 4MhB60KhBKSiSj35fhs1CcZL/TwZVtKQCqUMik1APPmVS6R25UkFcuSRZo2++TU70kg1 2tGXwVvPeB4HqwQddI/CVe9ri8kXHoll+6+JaUi75p7jvBy6QpIschZP65T4Po39tzOJ /EcArwNbrKnEebdrN/17xpczzTKFYQtEWs3+BUwsKLguzuV6ydJMA6rMj4XCGekSJs7I 6rVElbA3N9RlH5O9emAT1MOr2MEkb789EDu88wWl4jphUs4/RauvToLxylwuIVRrvdxD fZdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmftPoVyMsIw3Gb+AUd/6kow6wwTcWVnJg/KqmQT3HX1uO0tSfxvKZOQ+neY2pNFR+xtUEF X-Received: by 10.70.96.193 with SMTP id du1mr1226999pdb.136.1416522662530; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:31:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.64.27.119] ([69.53.236.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id vz8sm2981314pac.1.2014.11.20.14.31.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:31:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BBC83AAA-CBAD-4477-929E-074EBEA5BC37"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: I'd like to axe some drivers From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <201411201631.27556.jhb@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:30:57 -0700 Message-Id: References: <201411201631.27556.jhb@freebsd.org> To: John Baldwin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Cc: arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:31:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BBC83AAA-CBAD-4477-929E-074EBEA5BC37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 tl;dr: kill everything on your list. Notes. On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:31 PM, John Baldwin wrote: > wl(4): This is a driver for an ancient pre-802.11 wireless adapter. = It > also includes wlconfig(8). Warner promises he won't test = any > patches for this. It's older and slower than wi(4) and that = driver > hasn't really worked in years. (One could make the case for = axing > an(4) and wi(4) as well, but I'm just pushing for wl(4).) I had this driver working. In FreeBSD 4.2. I discontinued using this = card back in the 90=92s. I discarded this cards themselves a couple of years ago. It doesn=92t interoperate with anything except itself. Comparisons = to wi(4) aren=92t really relevant.This is ancient hardware, of limited use = to all but a few arcane people that hasn=92t likely be run in a real system since before the US knew about Monica... > ie(4): Unfortunately, someone actually found one of these and = tested it > several years ago when I added locking to it. It is the only = ISA > NIC driver that doesn't have a pccard attachment (you can in = theory > still use a pccard NIC in a cardbus slot (though not = ExpressCard)). > This also only does 10Mb using PIO (no DMA). It doesn't use > bus_space. No PC Cards using this chip were ever made that I could discover (and I tried very hard). Not having enough users that care enough to update it to the latest thing, nor to test it, etc speaks volumes. It=92s = hardware that=92s not relevant enough to generate in the 15 years that they=92ve been = around. Other ISA and PC Card drivers have had those fixes done, but we=92re not talking about them. ie(4) should be retired. Warner --Apple-Mail=_BBC83AAA-CBAD-4477-929E-074EBEA5BC37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUbmuhAAoJEGwc0Sh9sBEA34wP/0f9j7Huc5MOjRgn/1aMH6lD gQ43T3XFVHicjNMxIQCBz8PDBWTSrTfb1IYJ2RSUik9l6C7Be1+26qdo8WyrCSUK ce4b8IqfHWXkrwyLRwkcOvIzNVuYihJJLMH6y28FKc1eZ9Hx5k/YS5jro+Fk+41L D4qf+xPaky95v8hvVh5+zhNZOU2msmye4DOHP93YDOF2NM1oq1NxQEz1f6tNgZw5 N5ifAy6HWIgYo2jon35v5YPUHpZCd4cuJu9Fv4SwAAkz8gxc4lNv3K4x4DOI8Ops ZuHb81GWj/Bte5oL6IfgXD/xU5b4iR4u4Tc0ISHcCS2eSuG+ZqkHXYbpAJjm44cx ofnzunfkzlAo+svH/MkxXS5ASlc7ibvYQqY1IYDAVg0O6kRqC0esQLWFhqL0VMth sd/I6jZ3lF1lR8lmajOtxPecJLieJABQcQpfENggvRKaYXIOYs3VwWOH515H2a8E mo+KZi3YOIDCairyGcmGHjlw3tPhcoq8Po2lLmnXnxdZ4nJmsEtIKeZ4SVIU/N4t SdUil9B1hzLXTsh+KQaAdrn+F7AdxP/XPbT6bPeh04qhxPABLUAIEDPvHS0uP1Pd +6nUxXJ2mQeEkOEyRyeXtC+fQZOkQVYKSf5HaTOAeMx4Nx6NgjcSb7X8NrzIuaYY YH0g3X4N2wnAfTmsPEIc =ccKY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_BBC83AAA-CBAD-4477-929E-074EBEA5BC37--