From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 29 19: 1:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E607037B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntl.com (pc1-glfd2-4-cust59.glfd.cable.ntl.com [81.99.187.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E912A43F3F for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from william@palfreman.com) Received: from aqua.lan.palfreman.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ntl.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0U2XSkn091660; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:33:28 GMT (envelope-from william@palfreman.com) Received: from localhost (william@localhost) by aqua.lan.palfreman.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id h0U2XSl1091657; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:33:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: aqua.lan.palfreman.com: william owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:33:28 +0000 (GMT) From: William Palfreman To: Fred Clift Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-Reply-To: <20030129163652.J22139-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> Message-ID: <20030130022654.C31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> References: <20030129163652.J22139-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Fred Clift wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, William Palfreman wrote: > > > mainstream root occur all the time - abusive behaviour by some > > government wannabees, abusive interference by courts in domain name > > ownership, ICANN, DDoS attacks, simple volume of traffic problems and > > > Are you saying that there is some other way than courts (or violence) to > ultimately resolve things that exist only in terms of law? ie > 'ownership'? Yes, of course. Agreement and mutual respect. Domains name certainly do not exist only in terms of law. They exist in the zonefile of the authoritative nameserver. Ultimately that is where any disputes are settled. Things like that don't really have anything to do with courts, less so once there are several roots (and overlapping TLDs), because a court simply cannot impose itself without the voluntary agreement the admin for the nameserver in question - which is as it should be. > Since the concept of ownership is basically just a legal definition, then > legal means will be (leaving out violence) the ultimate means of resolving > issues surrounding it. Legal means are not leaving out violence. They are violent. If someone lives in a country where a court decision goes against them, no matter how illegitimate that court decision, if they do not go along with it they can be fined ad imprisoned - and if they don't accept either police will come and arrest you, shooting if you resist. Courts are the very epitome of violence. -- W. Palfreman. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message