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[91.2.61.179]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 7sm13613604wro.85.2019.05.11.23.54.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 11 May 2019 23:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 08:54:35 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn To: Warner Losh Cc: Eugene Grosbein , "Julian H. Stacey" , Brooks Davis , freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FCP-101: obsolete driver removal planned for 2019-05-18 Message-ID: <20190512085435.0b7dc847@ernst.home> In-Reply-To: References: <201905111433.x4BEWnlX058386@fire.js.berklix.net> <3c911071-f794-1e27-87e1-16a789a95852@grosbein.net> Reply-To: gljennjohn@gmail.com X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AB30E8B4CB X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=DWtOHAA5; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gljennjohn@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::431 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gljennjohn@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.58 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[gljennjohn@gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.77)[-0.774,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.79)[ip: (-9.42), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.23), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 06:54:45 -0000 On Sat, 11 May 2019 20:21:46 -0500 Warner Losh wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2019, 12:52 PM Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > 11.05.2019 21:32, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > >> I've posted a review to remove obsolete 10 and 10/100 Ethernet drivers > > >> as previous approved in FCP-101. > > >> The following drivers are slated for > > >> removal from FreeBSD-HEAD (to be FreeBSD-13): > > >> > > >> ae, bm, cs, de, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, sf, sn, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, xe > > > > > > OMG ! ed ! That EOL's loads of PC boxes I have (& a show box of > > > spare) that will never be able to upgrade. > > > > Do those boxes have 10M-only or 100Mbps variants of ed(4)? > > What kind of hardware do they have (CPU and memory-wise)? > > > More relevant questions might be 1) will these drivers only be removed from FBSD >= 13? 2) what versions of FBSD is Julian now running on his hardware? 3) does he ever plan to upgrade this hardware to >= FBSD 13? I know Julian and he has an amazing collection of old hardware. I suspect that most of it will not even be able to run FBSD 13. > > There are no 100M ed variants. There are some PC Card variants that have > 100M MII connections, but they are limited to about 12Mbps due to bus > limits. Even the PCI ones didn't have 100M mii connections. > -- Gary Jennejohn (gj@)