Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 23:56:34 -0500 From: Rugxulo <rugxulo@gmail.com> To: Peter Jeremy <peterjeremy@acm.org> Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPC 2006 (Pascal) -- deprecated or "expired"?? Message-ID: <BANLkTi=Qn6j4eVTxTcG0PdN1RjjvdEuQSQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20110603001251.GA66356@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <BANLkTimmQ7UYubpe0R9NYCVDqXhApcSdGA@mail.gmail.com> <20110603001251.GA66356@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org>
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Hi, On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Peter Jeremy <peterjeremy@acm.org> wrote: > On 2011-Jun-01 17:23:37 -0500, Rugxulo <rugxulo@gmail.com> wrote: >>It seems somebody isn't very knowledgeable about GPC. =A0 :-( > ... >>the real deal: *BSD hates GPL, esp. GPLv3, > > Please stop spreading FUD. Sorry, not trying to be rude here (honestly), but it is GPLv3, which clearly is not popular with *BSD. Please don't act like licenses don't matter. The whole point is, even if GPLv3 isn't your favorite, you shouldn't throw away GPC without a suitable replacement. Sure, FPC is semi-related (barely), but it's a whole different dialect, so the code is NOT compatible! In other words, if you can temporarily get GPC up to speed, you can then compile Scott Moore's (ISO 7185) P5 with it, which is public domain. (FPC won't compile it as-is.) That's better than just dumping everything in favor of FPC only (incompatible), IMO. >> and I think GPC is indeed v3 > > Does that make you the somebody who "isn't very knowledgeable about GPC"? Eh? It's definitely GPL v3, here's what my GPC344B.ZIP (DJGPP) has: http://www.gnu-pascal.de/contrib/maurice/djgpp/ http://www.gnu-pascal.de/contrib/maurice/gpc-20070904.pdf 37552 09-05-2007 13:29 doc/gpc/copying Hmmm, I don't know why they don't have patches in the "obvious" place. Lemme find Waldek's homepage ... http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/gpc/ http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/gpc/gpc-20070904.tar.bz2 >>BTW, two more corrections: =A0the latest version is not from 2006 but >>instead "20070904". > > Looking at http://www.gnu-pascal.de/gpc (which is listed as the > project homepage), the latest version shown on the downloads > page is 20060325. Their webpage is definitely outdated, I don't know why. But I'm 100% positive that 20070904 is the latest version. > Even if there was another release 20070904, > that is 3=BD years ago - which seems to justify the "development > has ceased" statement in the removal message. Development has ceased, yes. There were only a handful of maintainers over the years. Plus the real dealbreaker is that GCC has backend bugs (and incompatibilities) which the GPC devs either didn't understand or couldn't afford the time to fix. So it stagnated. Hence "latest" is only unofficial patches against GCC 3.4.4 (stable) and 4.1.2 (buggy). >> gpc 20060325_2 lang Deleted =A0on this many watch lists=3D1 search for >>ports that depend on this port >> =A0 =A0Deprecated DEPRECATED: development has ceased; use lang/fpc inste= ad >> =A0 =A0Expired This port expired on: 2011-04-11 >> =A0 =A0GNU Pascal compiler >> >> =A0 =A0There is no maintainer for this port. > > "no maintainer" means no-one in the FreeBSD Community has expressed > any interest in maintaining the port. =A0Each port requires Project > resources just leave lying around. =A0Since no-one has expressed any > interest in maintaining this port and the underlying GPC project > appears to have died, there is no reason to keep it around. There can't be any big maintenance except making sure it actually builds, esp. with newer GCCs. Other than that, I see no problems here. "No reason to keep it around" is silly. Practically speaking, I know most of you probably don't need or want Pascal, but it exists. And suggesting FPC as an alternative is not an answer since it lacks support for ISO 7185 (original, Wirth) or ISO 10206 (Extended). That's the big reason to keep it around (obviously?), though I admit FPC is much easier to build / bootstrap. Don't take this all the wrong way, I'm trying to point you in the right direction. > If you believe there is a need for a port of GPC, you are welcome > to submit a PR to update the port to the current version and take > over the responsibility for maintaining it. How hard can it be to rebuild GCC 3.4.4?? Seriously, it can't be that hard for you guys. I've (rarely) even rebuilt DJGPP on Windows, and surely it's 1000x easier on *nix!!
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