Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 07:52:55 -0800 From: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> To: Torsten Zuehlsdorff <freebsd@toco-domains.de> Cc: Adam Weinberger <adamw@freebsd.org>, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, ports-committers@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r491810 - in head/editors/vim: . files Message-ID: <8445A43D-6489-4626-BC83-EDAF5D1F545B@cschubert.com> In-Reply-To: <cc8fb59d-2889-ccdf-42f2-8573ea6b6486@toco-domains.de> References: <201902011524.x11FOJpR013828@slippy.cwsent.com> <cc8fb59d-2889-ccdf-42f2-8573ea6b6486@toco-domains.de>
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On February 1, 2019 7:37:31 AM PST, Torsten Zuehlsdorff <freebsd@toco-domai= ns=2Ede> wrote: > > >On 01=2E02=2E19 16:24, Cy Schubert wrote: >> In message <3ca96b45-44d9-34b4-b48e-b49c1f1c4066@toco-domains=2Ede>,=20 >> Torsten Zueh >> lsdorff writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 01=2E02=2E19 15:47, Cy Schubert wrote: >>>> On February 1, 2019 6:02:44 AM PST, Adam Weinberger ><adamw@freebsd=2Eorg> wro >>> te: >>>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:58 AM Alexey Dokuchaev ><danfe@freebsd=2Eorg> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 01, 2019 at 01:54:07PM +0000, Adam Weinberger wrote: >>>>>>> New Revision: 491810 >>>>>>> URL: https://svnweb=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/changeset/ports/491810 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Log: >>>>>>> Update vim to patchlevel 865 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After discussion on freebsd-ports@, switch the default UI >toolkit >>>>>>> from GTK2 to GTK3=2E There isn't a huge visual difference, so >it's >>>>>>> more predicated on the idea that people are more likely to >have >>>>>>> GTK3 already installed for other things=2E >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, I believe it's more likely that people have GTK+2 >>>>> installed, >>>>>> not 3=2E That said, however, perhaps the best way out would be >>>>> flavoring >>>>>> the port so it offers both packages=2E >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure that there's a huge benefit to offering multiple UI >>>>> toolkit packages=2E There's not much difference between the GTK2 and >the >>>>> GTK3 interface=2E Perhaps I mischaracterized the situation; it is >>>>> definitely correct to say that the discussion on freebsd-ports@ >>>>> revealed nearly unanimous agreement that people would prefer GTK3 >be >>>>> the default=2E >>>>> >>>>> # Adam >>>> >>>> The big difference from a user's perspective is the scroll bar, >specificall >>> y middle button behavior=2E IMO a regression=2E=20 >>> >>> After the switch to GTK-3 i have no scroll bar at all=2E "at all" >means in >>> kate, libreoffice, dolphin and all other kde/gtk-3 - applications=2E >:D >>=20 >> Hmm=2E Firefox uses GTK-3=2E It has a scrollbar=2E If I play with it, a= s in > >> put the cursor toward the middle of the slider, it does work=2E It's >not=20 >> as easy as Motif or GTK-2 are=2E I think this is an attempt by GUI=20 >> developers to use one code base for mobile, notebook, and desktop=2E=20 >> Compromises that are clunky at best=2E >>=20 >> Have you tried scrolling using the wheel? It might "magically" >appear=2E > >Mh, Firefox and Thunderbird still have scroll bars=2E I did not realize >that they use GTK 3=2E > >Kate has something like an "mini map" at the right but no scroll bar=2E >Libreoffice has no scroll bars, too=2E I can scroll with the mouse wheel >or with the cursor=2E But this does not make a scroll bar appear=2E > >Greetings, >Torsten That's probably an application thing=2E A scroll bar is a widget and each = widget normally needs a callback=2E It's likely the app developers didn't b= other to implement one=2E --=20 Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use=2E Cheers, Cy Schubert <Cy=2ESchubert@cschubert=2Ecom> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD=2Eorg> Web: http://www=2EFreeBSD=2Eorg The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few=2E
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