From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 1 18:44:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516AE3B7 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E7D72EF3 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id c11so1037973ieb.17 for ; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 11:44:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=bai4YSfpLQFf1xTxGzwWNzwRv7xW7gAB6YYm1JabCQI=; b=ccDMKrq3VPFZM3p8sE0xrzVQE0un1BvlZSqz3Dj3/R4BsebFSsFpnv/YRsZFdNoLLS KNwwyLRzIncE6eu2pblwrPW50ZeDyIDfoHG28BsHwrdGdpb8Uv5r/cS6F8dfFi2hatAe Y006w1Mmt99CUY21i8Dq4MnhW0hDAkRQp8xSU8XCjQwJf8QfDub62tXn30s7QkRJGf0t qD1YzeNIrIDA3xVfJgcugMjS0sKVx37w/m3jmrliksuLD/fw5uCR9ZFssxs5vAQhgu12 RosL74623fsjhwodSvDtz8GeFSXh/jYOvGCBVUb0Dpmvy0rNLcivHFtV9rRpTKl92qoj 26Lw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmpXGu/nF1NiqXDxB1v5PqRCkLmXORe7+Aoyr1GmqdGJ01XWAL/ieeiG4o/5/H/UkmPwrCY X-Received: by 10.50.39.18 with SMTP id l18mr9508845igk.4.1378061077526; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 11:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.53] (50-78-194-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.78.194.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x6sm18887051igb.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Sep 2013 11:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: GCC withdraw Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <20130901180350.GA12351@lonesome.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:44:32 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <81EF1224-CA6C-43AD-9364-3D8CD418951D@bsdimp.com> References: <20130822200902.GG94127@funkthat.com> <201308291344.25562.jhb@freebsd.org> <201308301041.18874.jhb@freebsd.org> <20130901180350.GA12351@lonesome.com> To: Mark Linimon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "Sam Fourman Jr." , toolchain@freebsd.org, Boris Samorodov , FreeBSD Current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 18:44:44 -0000 On Sep 1, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:41:18AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: >> So my take away from this is that you have no plans to support any = platform >> that doesn't support clang as you just expect ia64 and sparc64 to die = and >> not be present in 11.0. That may be the best path, but I've = certainly not >> seen that goal discussed publically. >=20 > If this is the case, IMHO: >=20 > - it's a decision to be made by the project as a whole, not just one > individual; >=20 > - if the decision is made, there should be one major release cycle > before it's done; >=20 > - our userbase (admittedly small) should have a heads-up that they > will have to migrate after that timeframe. >=20 > fwiw, unlike alpha, which was withdrawn because it had ceased to = function, > sparc64 and ia64 work and have active developer(s), so I don't think = it > would be entirely fair to cite its removal as a precedent. >=20 > tl;dr: just because you don't use these boxes doesn't mean others = don't. I'm working on a set of ports that can be installed so you can use the = external toolchain support in the tree... But it is being a pain since = there turns out to be some unexpected interdependencies and ordering = that's tricky to get right. But this does mean I've extracted the FreeBSD specific changes into a = series of patches... Warner