From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 9 09:22:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E215BD178C for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 09:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from un_x@earthlink.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892B6FC5 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 09:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from un_x@earthlink.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 884F5BD178B; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 09:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87ED1BD178A for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 09:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from un_x@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54AF5FC4 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 09:22:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from un_x@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aNr4eYBPEjv9yNOfP3OwR14+shtoPpFPxqw6xk38N8dpHppf67quaKa+IbJGT4MV; h=Received:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Reply-To:X-Mailer:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [72.251.118.160] (helo=smtpauth.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1biHyX-0006t8-Pb for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2016 05:20:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 01:19:40 -0800 From: "CK" To: Subject: X+webkit = Disgraceful Reply-To: "CK" X-Mailer: UMail v1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: b339fc8a95da5b464d2b10475b571120aa5282db2bb3465cb1d76153d005502658ce75fe477930ad350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 72.251.118.160 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 09:22:44 -0000 252M . 7.6M ./bash 200k ./gnome 31M ./gnome2 1.6M ./gnome3 1M ./hunspell 1.0M ./jpeg8d 13M ./perl 10M ./python 27M ./xorg I just fetched the recursive ports for: x11/xorg-minimal x11/xfd x11/xset x11/xterm x11-fonts/bdftopcf x11-fonts/pcf2bdf x11-wm/vtwm www/webkit-gtk2 And that doesn't even include a web-browser (currently looking at surf + xombrero, essentially, "browsers" that do little more than present a page from Google's webkit "www-engine"; apparently, the web is such an enormous piece of shit now that nobody can code decent web-page rendering anymore [Netsurf and Dillo seem to have been trying for over a decade] except for corporate giants - created+controlled by govt for the purpose of profiting govt and spying on behalf of govt. Still keeping Opera 12.16 since it's pretty much perfect with only a few fatal flaws in the current web-o-sphere. 250+ MB, 36+ hours of downloading, and I still can't even view the WWW, graphically. It's just fucking disgusting. In 1996, I didn't even have a hard drive that big, and my kernel was about 1/2 MB, RAM was 16MB, FreeBSD took about 16MB of disk space, and I could install everything from a bunch of floppies, and Xwindow + graphical browser was just a minor addition - maybe a few MB at most. And guess what? THE WEB DOESN'T LOOK ANY BETTER TODAY THAN THEN (with the exception of server-side font control - which - apparently, took a whole new fucking language to fix (CSS) instead of a trivial fix to the FONT SIZE attribute specification). I guess I should say I am no fan of video or residential high-speed access of the Internet - for without it, we surely wouldn't have a mess like we have today (I'd guess it's all porn+entertainment driven). It's just fucking disgusting. It's complexity merely for the sake of complexity - just pure wankerism without any essential additional quality. I need ALL OF THIS SHIT just to turn some text and a few images into pixels? 250+ MB of COMPRESSED code (expanded, it's surely GBs!!! BILLIONS OF LINES OF CODE???) Whoever is responsible for this needs to be rounded up and left deserted on some island in the middle of the ocean. It's just pure insane. This world has lost it's collective mind - and the outcome will not be pleasant. PS. my config-recursive tried to disable as much as possible ... which i am sure will cause compilation errors ... and this is not really a "freebsd" thing, but it is part of the freebsd ports system ... no real question here, just a question people should be asking themselves. Somebody needs to develop an anti-JS "webkit" that destroys all of the JS-BS in webpages, and filters out the essential images+links+functionality, without regard to placement/organization for those websites that promulgate this garbage, and aid in some kind of return to the non-commericialization of the Internet. How can this not be seen as a govt/corporate takeover of the Internet and all "free" operating systems? 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