From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 19 19:02:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA27924 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27917 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle (root@ip204.konnections.com [192.41.71.204]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA20944; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 20:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <335AD6EC.7306BE6D@konnections.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:54:36 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: jack , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Price of FreeBSD (was On Holy Wars...) References: <5354.861482487@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan's right. The two things that seem to miss in the night are Popular user interfaces and machine access by people with glasses.... They aren't mutually exclusive, rather complementary. The point was sacrificing one for the other at Microsoft. They took away our low level access and tried to replace it with GUI programs which are still too abstract to allow what you need. If the GUI is in the way, having a program under the GUI isn't going to let you fix it.....Unless it's built more like X or even Win3.x which is merely an app on the OS not the whole OS... NT needs an NTterm where you can attack the machine.... -Mike Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > No, of course not. That would be deliberate stupidity and I'm not > talking about anything like that. > > Also, the UNIX traditionalists should please bear in mind that such an > interface would NOT BE DESIGNED FOR THEM. > > The tragedy of UNIX is that the propeller-heads typically design the > interfaces according to _their_ specifications and desires, and every > time you show them a Windows or Mac desktop they make all sorts of > appropriate vomiting noises and claim that they'd take death by > violent sodomy over such a system, strongly opposing any and all such > initiatives with every atom of their bodies. > Jordan