From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 19:14:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3E210B814A for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E520D80BAE; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:14:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9471F16E65; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:13:58 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Brooks Davis , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers Message-ID: <20181004191358.GB31270@lonesome.com> References: <20181004151720.GC74146@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> <201810041534.w94FYUJ5006835@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201810041534.w94FYUJ5006835@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:14:02 -0000 On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 08:34:30AM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > What I am finding very bothersome at this point is that a great > miss understanding has been conveyed onto the users by the > statement that "core has discussed this and we plan to proceed > as proposed" I really don't understand why people don't assume good faith anymore. I read it as "core has discussed setting up an FCP". Warner could have just posted something to -current saying "I'm going to delete these on xyz2019 unless they're updated to use iflib." It would have been a lot less work and stress on his part than trying to do things The Right Way. Having people look through every single word in every single post looking for hidden meanings is one of the things that is absolutely taking all the fun out of FreeBSD. Frankly if I wanted to have everything gone over with a fine-tooth-comb I'd go back into the workforce. tl;dr: no, thanks. I liked the old "shut up and code" days better. ob. disclaimer: don't assume that Warner and I agree on much of anything, but IMHO he's trying to go about things the right way this timee. mcl