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FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.89)[ip: (-9.19), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.95), asn: 15169(-2.24), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ruby@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD-specific Ruby discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:54:37 -0000 On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 8:39 AM Koichiro Iwao wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 10:52:45AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote: > > The issue is that FLAVORS has added a substantial (and painful) complex= ity to python ports and python.mk. It means that a number of people have ha= d to be hyper-vigilant and watch commits closely to catch errors introduced= when people utilize the paradigm incorrectly. It=E2=80=99s a bitter pill, = but it=E2=80=99s accepted because the use-case for multiple concurrent pyth= on versions is essential. > > > > As Antoine said, inconsistency isn=E2=80=99t a strong enough use case. = Which brings us back to the original question: is there a specific use-case= for concurrent ruby that makes the substantial increase in cognitive load,= complexity, and monitoring worth it? > > PHP also have FLAVORS. What about PHP? Multiple concurrent PHP versions > is essential? We're going in circles here. I've for the third time now that what we'd need to get on board is a use case, a description of the end-user problem that we're trying to solve. What you've provided (for the fourth time in this thread) is a straw man argument. What other languages have is irrelevant. We are much less concerned with "consistency" than with solving end-user problems in a way that fits the specific use case. Steve seemed interested in the idea. I'd explore it with him, and I hope you are able to make it happen. I'm done here. # Adam --=20 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org