From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Apr 19 08:57:43 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE528B1208E for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:57:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF5CB10FF; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:57:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.86 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1asRTd-000PVv-Qs; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 11:57:45 +0300 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 11:57:45 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Glen Barber Cc: Julian Elischer , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <20160419085745.GF4841@zxy.spb.ru> References: <20160302235429.GD75641@FreeBSD.org> <57152CE5.5050500@FreeBSD.org> <9D4B9C8B-41D7-42BC-B436-D23EFFF60261@ixsystems.com> <20160418191425.GW1554@FreeBSD.org> <5715DD2E.903@freebsd.org> <20160419073117.GG1554@FreeBSD.org> <20160419083911.GG6614@zxy.spb.ru> <20160419084129.GI1554@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160419084129.GI1554@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:57:44 -0000 On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:41:29AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:39:11AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 07:31:17AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 03:24:30PM +0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > We've managed to keep this disease out of BSD since I started to do it in > > > > 1990. First we laughed/fumed at Sun's Solaris when they unbundled the > > > > compiler. then we fumed at xorg when hey took a useful package and made 190 > > > > odd packages out of it. Please don't force this on us! > > > > > > > > > > What isn't clear about the *numerous* statements that no one is being > > > *forced* to use packaged base? > > > > Because nowhere present roadmap about co-existing packaged base and > > traditionsl install. > > Because nowhere present roadmap of packaged base future. > > Because package base is show-stoper for 11.0 relese -- this is read as > > "11.0 switch to package base". > > > > And nowhere did it say "buildworld/buildkernel would no longer work." buildworld/builkernel is requrement for `make packages`. I am expect of removing installworld/installkernel. Yes, I am don read about this. But in IT I am need to read between the lines. Also, installkernel broken in 10.x for multiple kernels and not planed to fix. Why I need to expect different to this?