From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 1 11:49:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFB816A403 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:49:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail25.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail25.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A2543D49 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:49:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c58-107-94-118.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [58.107.94.118]) by mail25.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kA1BnkTU028791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:49:49 +1100 Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kA1968k5001483; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:06:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id kA1968Cg001482; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:06:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:06:08 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Greg Black Message-ID: <20061101090608.GC849@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <45475298.5090709@inoc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oJ71EGRlYNjSvfq7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:49:53 -0000 --oJ71EGRlYNjSvfq7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2006-Nov-01 06:14:03 +1000, Greg Black wrote: >The state of the software out there is disgracefully far from >being ready for 64-bit platforms -- after wasting weeks in a >vain attempt to get a workable development environment on my >amd64 setup, I've just completed a move to i386 (by a fresh >install). This doesn't tally with my experiences. I've had an amd64 laptop for most of the year and whilst I've got an i386 partition on it, I almost never use it. In my case, the only things I've missed are win32-codecs (which is unlikely to ever work on amd64) and the java plugin (and I can always use appletviewer if I really need to look at an applet). I've recently discovered that libffi isn't supported on amd64 but don't really need libffi. I agree there is some atrocious software around but things are vastly better than when I first wound up using a DEC Alpha in late 1998. (I'll also admit that I maintain some freeware software that is not 64-bit clean - but it started life on a PDP-11 and I've got more urgent issues to address in it). It would be nice to see the 32-bit emulation improved so that it is possible to build/run the i386 versions of ports on an amd64 system. This would be the best of both worlds. If I had any free time, I would even work on this myself. --=20 Peter Jeremy --oJ71EGRlYNjSvfq7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFSGOA/opHv/APuIcRAvqNAJ9FGEs+TU5xC82NO3uWmyA8AtSFYwCghjUA SKhfjLuzqTbl83d9hc1XX28= =q67A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oJ71EGRlYNjSvfq7--