Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2022 21:16:09 +0000 From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: ports-bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 251117] [NEW PORT] www/palemoon: Open-source web browser Message-ID: <bug-251117-7788-VGKETXu23M@https.bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/> In-Reply-To: <bug-251117-7788@https.bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/> References: <bug-251117-7788@https.bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/>
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https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D251117 --- Comment #100 from Matt A. Tobin <email@mattatobin.com> --- (In reply to Matt A. Tobin from comment #99) A days prior as well.. Feb 25 07:41:42 <NewTobinParadigm> Moonchild: I am not at all willing to wo= rk with any BSD without a commitment from them to actually work with us. I also want to remove ALL BSD support from gre as it stands today and have THEM add BACK support in a more proper way ala SunOS.. The issues of Pale Moon brand= ing is no longer my public consern but they shall not have any permission to use BinOC branding and associated applications. Put their fuckin money where th= eir mouth is=20 Feb 25 07:41:42 <NewTobinParadigm> and re-do freebsd support from the groun= d up or fuck off and die like the communists they are. Feb 25 07:42:45 <NewTobinParadigm> In my opinion, OlCe1 has already proven = to not be a serious contender for this endeavor. Someone else must lead this charge. Someone who is reasonable. Feb 25 07:43:27 <Moonchild> Oh I agree. I'm just still probing to see what's going on. Feb 25 07:43:41 <NewTobinParadigm> i figured you would for the most part. Feb 25 07:43:57 <NewTobinParadigm> Just wanted to make sure there was a cur= rent crystallized statement from me. Feb 25 07:44:07 <Moonchild> And he himself said he's not sure whether all t= he BSD code paths are even necessary, so that aligns exactly with what you wou= ld want. Feb 25 07:44:29 <Moonchild> But I'm not pouring all that out in one go. I h= ave to know details from them. Feb 25 07:45:00 <NewTobinParadigm> I believe they once were .. 15 years ago= .. in general i think that is true and our plans to prefer XP_UNIX except wher= e it is necessary to get more specific is a good one for our general stability a= nd code clarity Feb 25 07:45:15 <Moonchild> Yup Feb 25 07:45:48 <NewTobinParadigm> take the Tobin Factor out of the equation and it rings of actually being fair and proper to all unixes I think Feb 25 07:45:48 <Moonchild> I'm just letting them know a compromise and BSD support in our tree is possible -- but haven't said anything about HOW that= 's going to be done. Feb 25 07:46:06 <NewTobinParadigm> except mac :P Feb 25 07:46:10 <NewTobinParadigm> which is fake-unix=20 Feb 25 07:46:14 <Moonchild> Mac can fuck off Feb 25 07:46:17 <Moonchild> so can OpenBsd Feb 25 07:46:40 <Moonchild> i will ONLY support freeBSD because all the oth= er ones have been excessively hostile Feb 25 07:47:01 <NewTobinParadigm> i'd be willing to facilitate openbsd if = one person one user was man enough to do their best and not get railroaded by t= heir bsdpeers Feb 25 07:47:01 <Moonchild> not in the least by keeping dragging in that one openBSD github issue -every-fucking-where-they-could Feb 25 07:47:07 <Moonchild> and that was unnecessary Feb 25 07:47:16 <Moonchild> No, OpenBSD can fuck off Feb 25 07:47:22 <Moonchild> I will not have it after that Feb 25 07:47:47 <Moonchild> and they are being special snowflakes anyway th= at will require a lot of extra complexity. just look at the code in our tree. Feb 25 07:47:54 <Moonchild> so no, it's not feasible Feb 25 07:48:08 <NewTobinParadigm> openbsd has some very strange oddities internal to them that freebsd doesn't=20 Feb 25 07:48:10 <NewTobinParadigm> i do know that Feb 25 07:49:32 <NewTobinParadigm> it is such a shame that xp users have ru= ined the "xp" designation cause to me "xp" as cross platform is so important to = me Feb 25 07:50:32 <athenian200> Yeah, I don't think we should support OpenBSD under any circumstances. Sorry I've not been paying much attention lately, = been focused on the news a lot. Feb 25 07:50:55 <Moonchild> it's fine. Feb 25 07:51:09 <NewTobinParadigm> three core libs that must never be system imo for us is nspr nss and libpng the rest is negotiable as I see it though= the bar for justification remains high Feb 25 07:51:28 <NewTobinParadigm> unless you can think of one Feb 25 07:51:32 <NewTobinParadigm> likely cairo as well Feb 25 07:51:46 <Moonchild> cairo was fucked over recently too Feb 25 07:51:52 <NewTobinParadigm> I remember Feb 25 07:52:12 <NewTobinParadigm> and it will never be solved because of t= he way Mozilla has bypassed fucked up code paths Feb 25 07:52:32 <Moonchild> exactly Feb 25 07:53:19 <NewTobinParadigm> luckily if freebsd gets their shit toget= her they should be less anxious about the netscape libs.. cause since we got nss-gyp we can keep pace with esr at the very least.. they can't arguge with that and hold water --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=
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