From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 8 14: 6:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from us.net (newmail2.one.net [216.23.22.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EF1F37C3C6 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32419 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2002 21:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shell.one.net) (206.112.192.106) by newmail2.one.net with SMTP; 8 May 2002 21:02:23 -0000 Received: (from cokane@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.11.6/8.9.3) id g48L2FS20770; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:02:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:02:15 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: Joerg Micheel Cc: Sheldon Hearn , Robert Watson , Michael Smith , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's not fun anymore. (Mike resigns from core) Message-ID: <20020508170215.A15872@shell.one.net> References: <4119.1020875350@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> <20020509073441.A5281@cs.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20020509073441.A5281@cs.waikato.ac.nz>; from joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:34:41AM +1200 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.12 i686 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Who knows, perhaps between Mike and Jordan leaving and the atmosphere that surrounds all of this trouble, it may bring up leadership from some of the younger community to actually do something real nice for the project. I first started working on the project about three or so years ago, got commit status actually recommended by Mike of all people and have been helping out in my spare time (between school and work). I started using the OS back when 2.2.8 came out and fell in love with it instantly, which I sure is true of many others soon after their initial install of FreeBSD. Heck, at UC we changed the Linux Users' Group to the Free OS Users' group due to the number of staunch BSD advocates and users who were active members. Anyway, I don't really believe the whole 'FreeBSD is dead' crap that has been circulating, with the quickly growing user base and the increase in developer support this is a setback for the group, but it will live on, at least as long as there is a significant community backing it up. When we all vote for Core this time, it will be for a new set of representatives for the group. Perhaps this time it will bring together new faces and ideas for the future of the project. Anyway Mike, it was great to have a developer of your caliber on the core team, but I can identify with the problems that arise when procedural and political work begins to conflict with the coding work that one is working on. Hope you haven't been too turned off to the point of dropping out alltogether. Try not to let the personal attacks get to you. Thats my 2 cents, -- coleman kane Thus spoke Joerg Micheel , and it was proclaimed: > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 06:29:10PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > On Wed, 08 May 2002 10:00:12 -0400, Robert Watson wrote: > > > > > Well, I think I speak for everyone in the project when I say that we're > > > sorry to hear that you are resigning from the core team, [...] > > > > Nope, you don't speak for me. I'm thrilled that Mike's leaving the core > > team. His heart's obviously not in it any more, so the fact that he has > > all the right skills for being useful on core doesn't mean anything any > > more. > > It sounds like it is people like you who have been giving Mike a hard > time. It also appears that you haven't learned a iota from this whole > incident. Honestly, I would have rather you had kept your mouth shut > and listened, this is not the time to spread your evil ink, but sit down > and ponder about what went wrong here. > > I am not impressed. > Joerg > -- > Joerg B. Micheel Email: > WAND and NLANR MOAT Email: > The University of Waikato, CompScience Phone: +64 7 8384794 > Private Bag 3105 Fax: +64 7 8585095 > Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: PMA, TINE and the DAG's > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message