From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 11 10:02:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11725 for current-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:02:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11719 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:02:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dyson@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09523; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:01:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dyson) Message-Id: <199802111801.NAA09523@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: merging win95 and nt filesystem changes into msdosfs In-Reply-To: <199802110758.XAA15322@implode.root.com> from David Greenman at "Feb 10, 98 11:58:21 pm" To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:01:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, jb@cimlogic.com.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com, jbryant@unix.tfs.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Greenman said: > > This is inconsistent with what you have said in the past which was > escentially that you had neither the time nor the willingness to explain > the changes you were proposing and that we should just take it on > faith that what you want to do is good. > > >occur. The only rationale against these has been "we fear change, > >specifically in the form of divergence". Now that that's blown > >out, so long as it's possible to revert such changes if they are seen > >to have a detrimental effect, I don't see why there's a problem. > > Backing out changes after some amount of time has gone by (and thus the > code has been modified by other people for other reasons) is not a trivial > undertaking. > To address DG's concerns, and the bona-fide problems that Terry is trying to solve, we need someone who has the time, energy and ability to field the problems that *WILL* occur. It is not a simple undertaking to make the kind of changes that an advocate like Terry has, where there is no review process. Terry is bright, and probably brighter than me (so he is brighter than dim :-)). That doesn't mean that DG, PHK, BDE or me can accept his changes without review by at least a trusted third-party. My bread and butter is based upon FreeBSD existing, and I just don't have the time to do Terry's stuff justice. Perhaps we need an organized effort (even including Kirk in on this) to make sure that Terry's changes are indeed fixing the problems, and not just trading one set for another. I do know about the kind of subtile breakage that can occur when working on a critical subsystem (e.g. VM or even parts of the VFS system), and we need to move forward, but oh so carefully... -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe current" in the body of the message