From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 26 06:47:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DD537E69D for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 06:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20005a8dccb.59c5ded82f733b39006dc01579366c64@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDtlS5Ktjz49k1 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 06:47:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20005a8dccb.59c5ded82f733b39006dc01579366c64@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1595746021; x=1598338021; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=nrGbbMgvSK01ydK5jV4iaMPO2GtrW3kMNpEOurKHYdM=; b=kLBFJhG+hgs8qbJ29QTFP240bMf5+09W155V4vsTN/mkY4TVMGz6JIp4QFrafmqfFuB4jlRQ+IB2XvMxriRzWQdH3+muS1uL/1IpiitcL1tAWNKv6r17Hbwv9425VbNm+I19A2j8QP0G3uvt75LuHjt1v16seF1fZDwitXKbMP8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDVhOGRjY2IuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 26 Jul 2020 02:46:58 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 26 Jul 2020 02:46:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzaQy-0006RI-7t; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 07:46:56 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 07:46:55 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Valeri Galtsev , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200726074655.b0036a0f90508156205376f9@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200725152412.GJ92589@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200725162403.GA4721@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200725182554.deffc63058a7c9f6d343ef06@sohara.org> <04df312d-9b2b-1873-2117-79a49e089bd9@kicp.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDtlS5Ktjz49k1 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=kLBFJhG+; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c20005a8dccb.59c5ded82f733b39006dc01579366c64@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c20005a8dccb.59c5ded82f733b39006dc01579366c64@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.63 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.958]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.985]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c20005a8dccb.59c5ded82f733b39006dc01579366c64@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c20005a8dccb.59c5ded82f733b39006dc01579366c64@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 06:47:01 -0000 On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:46:23 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > The only thing I can think of is there is a HTML 5 game that I > often leave open all the time That is probably causing Firefox to eat huge amounts of memory starving everything else and making the system prone to swapping. Try closing that window, restarting Firefox and then seeing how well your machine works. > So the only possible conclusion I can draw > is it is X being extremely screwy on FreeBSD due to all the linux hacks in > it (this despite X's claim it will work on any POSIX machine with the > right video support). As we move more and more towards wayland as being > the pixel driver it gets worse. However that conclusion isn't supported by the experience of others, it seems far more likely you have a memory hog, find it and eliminate it (top is your friend, sorting my resident memory use) and system performance will improve no end, and yes it may be your desktop environment, but I'd bet on Firefox which leaks like a seive). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith