From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 18 16:56:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 021AF6AB; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1538DD7; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WPxJK-00087N-JW; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:56:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:56:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux In-Reply-To: <53287821.4040209@freebsd.org> References: <53287821.4040209@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:56:20 -0000 > Ugh, that's a mess, I haven't seen that personally, but I just tend to > pull from git, although that takes a long time. > > Using git lets me keep local changes easily. > > The other option that works is just using portsnap. I think "portsnap > auto" or "portsnap alfred" should work for getting your the sources. > > The other option would be just try a fresh checkout against > https://svn.freebsd.org/ instead of https://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/. > > bummer! > > lastly, just using "pkg(1)" works really nicely, if you're tired of > dealing with port updates via source, then just try using pkg(1), it's > basically just as nice as using "apt-get" these days, pretty nice stuff. alfred, i know you mean well, but svn is legit and we have been using it until the kiddies came over to freebsd from linux. now that they left linux, debian and ubuntu are quite usable, pretty stable, and the ports/package system makes freebsd's look horrifying. i am tired of dependency hell. i am tired of package management du jour. i have real work to do and even an attempt at a real life. i have been a bsd user since 4.whatever on the vax. it is no longer defensible in any situaion other than personal religion. and it's the ongoing ports disaster that has killed a really great system. sad. randy