From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:57:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD1B2EBDBB for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LxBV1yK5z47wx for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.0.87]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MsJXG-1jE32T0M5y-00tlQp; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:57:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:57:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Maciej Suszko Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-Id: <20200512135734.fd7bfc91.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5894ef55-29e1-05cd-6359-e84e779cded0@suszko.eu> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <9329b8e5-c973-c65e-2261-c529dbfc5e7d@suszko.eu> <20200512071116.0000356f@seibercom.net> <20200512132155.dfaccc07.freebsd@edvax.de> <5894ef55-29e1-05cd-6359-e84e779cded0@suszko.eu> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1uE2jvUBq6SdOg2kF9IN93uzworhg/CK4IDGVk+qwQBt2NCXwJH uuiaXfa9lu+REY1oqMU84Vsj3lwTjUxjxBIoToDhRf0nt4gNLE3hP3uJHqQryLHjG7VERrT yIJGAwW25OMvWdqBtJpV9KfQSnkFNnISafl9jwAl7dSWbzvk/+kYAYmaV2umGu0/C0SYHgq xPwk3slydgn8qqJAuTjXw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:XgAACMVPqJs=:EKlLQZqXFvvO7r6VjfugOk hUcCxheuhg6+7X6Lnjjhc8SuYhzFYU6OekKWjUdXtKizrtsIo79RJYgO6Gn3PYzl/+pXU+uZH EgxUUBOwO7pM4e06yWHrULmu2OKdUnMSqobIZ6XHibRaprYP7+Ua1iEWDAD+6M/LPqwg1egvs JL8vBgKDsZty4OOgRqzOl9N0zKRC1OfHIwxe+C8dWRSS2WFOB3BJf6d8Tr2IdYVPGrrZTmRZb DIuPBWXa9s3kvep49jqmk7i/N1tQ8YP1vQA1oEXiVcXqeN5VRHKTwRUQ/oVM1nqW38/zedTd9 KZPL36l++Dv3AKkuY4L9EeY+IIYRneaM5/029F3sDhLqoXo+Rqo7Yl5GFHEZHFg51OhSA8CSr MDSOknU1D3Uby4vssH7VKMDVMz/lytXvt/i5D9ewipAlUMKhG9VebLjRHtNnCBkdMEY+XQh6J MSnhwuGeQf7NwkiwGI0k4kERhirngEO6MefZLTnMF1J77ipxsz3wBstVHcQ7ge7FaW88XoWz+ F98b6rXkdBaLU0oVZEIWDEYRQgx4cMBpVhsptxJoSUyEMrXWIje8Jan7Qdp3ZO8K46dGd6YHv FUutbYd+RNgBgRkyDVuKjE1MKrwm5q6oiy9b/3x9xvRgIhgqCqmuf6wWcMLeeKn0uGd8yf81u J8OpCzS1WimeO7P5vAInsbZ5lI5IPLlXUmlyh/yKpd/3khAzclFM3Avs0z6n1hp2pV5wLvStr fA5AuXiSs6FUAJA3cM5dCdmdqFsw6OQR8nFMyEsbW+WZK9w6F2Rty/6iH2gYc/L/F/mLXpoRF Hx9k7iLuzPlyXxjOwc38CEwDY/6q76GiyWwWCRNu+efgC2Ec1JgaNNOywumVl0gTtMwuYVT X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LxBV1yK5z47wx X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.76 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.0.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.997,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.998,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.37)[ip: (1.06), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(2.01), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:57:39 -0000 On Tue, 12 May 2020 13:35:26 +0200, Maciej Suszko wrote: > On 5/12/20 1:21 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > On Tue, 12 May 2020 07:11:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> It is my understanding that FreeBSD does not support Google Chrome. > >> That is not Microsoft's fault. That is a failure on the part of > >> FreeBSD. You should be taking the problem up with them, or perhaps > >> Google. Whether there is no one willing to maintain the port, or a > >> systemic failure on the part of FreeBSD is the real question here. > > > > As Chrome, unlike Chromium, is not distributed in source form > > (i. e., it is not open source), distribution would only be > > possible as a binary blob, as for example nVidia does it. > > The interesting question could be: Why does nVidia provide > > a binary blob used by the FreeBSD port, and Google does not? > > You would guess that a graphics driver is much more dependent > > on bein tied closely both to the OS and to X, whereas a web > > browser is, more or less, "just" a user application program > > that should be quite portable. > > > > > > > >> The bottom line is this in not Microsoft's fault. > > > > That is correct. Chrome is supported, Chromium is not. > > And Chrome is not Chromium. And not Firefox. > > What's the difference between Chrome and Chromium that is a stopper for > Microsoft to support this browser? What's wrong with Firefox that it > can't be used... or maybe what it lacks? That's a good question! As you know, Chrome "enhances" Chromium with certain functions, such as video and audio codecs (might be important here) as well as autoupdater (which performs the task a system-controlled updating mechanism is supposed to do), or it is about the DRM (digital restrictions management) stuff that is "important" for a working video conferencing tool? By "important", I do not imply "neccessary" - two totally different things. But if a certain web app makes itself dependent on functions found in Chrome, but not in Chromium, it's obvious that it won't work in anything else; however it's still a valid question _why_ such a decision has been made... Yes, I can actually imagine the codecs and the DRM that are present in Chrome, but not in Chromium, are the "Google extensions" that are required. > So we have the situation having two modern browsers mostly useless in > such web applications. Correct. As I mentioned earlier, web browsers have become a very complex thing comparable to an operating system - it they are also _used_ like operating systems, i. e., distinct platforms to run web code (as opposed to native code) on; of course the metaphor "write once, run everywhere" that more or less used to be true for HTML content doesn't apply anymore. A web app can be very specific about which browser you can use, and what version of said browser is required. If you don't match those exact requirements - no soup for you. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...