From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 15:00:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB362B7870 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from slim.berklix.org (slim.berklix.org [94.185.90.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "slim.berklix.org", Issuer "slim.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49C1ss1CYHz4Kgh; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DDB7209.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.219.114.9]) (authenticated bits=128) by slim.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 03TF0VrE009716 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:00:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id 03TF0VuK048958; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:00:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 03TF01F4049616; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:00:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <202004291500.03TF01F4049616@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Maintainer of FreeBSD Mailman" cc: FreeBSD Ports , Greg Veldman , Chris Subject: Re: mail/mailman v3? From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/jhs http://stolenvotes.uk User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:43:36 -0400." <20200429024336.GT1068@aurora.gregv.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:00:01 +0200 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49C1ss1CYHz4Kgh X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jhs@berklix.com has no SPF policy when checking 94.185.90.68) smtp.mailfrom=jhs@berklix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.31 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.39)[-0.392,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[berklix.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.80)[0.800,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[68.90.185.94.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:33824, ipnet:94.185.88.0/22, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (0.02), ipnet: 94.185.88.0/22(0.01), asn: 33824(-0.00), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[9.114.219.93.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:00:50 -0000 Greg Veldman wrote ports@: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 01:02:14PM -0700, Chris wrote: > > It also wouldn't be that difficult to simply modify mailman(2) > > to adopt the py3.x language changes. > > To simply make it work, perhaps not. To make it work well and > be reliable... might be more difficult than you think. A large > chunk of what a mail handler of any variety does is text > processing, and there are significant differences in that area > in Python2 vs Python3. E.g. ASCII vs Unicode. You'd likely > be opening a Pandora's box of corner cases and workarounds when > $STUPIDLY_FORMATTED_MAIL_MESSAGE_OF_THE_HOUR comes through. > > The effort would probably be better spent enhancing Mailman3, > since that's the future of the project anyway. > > Also, as someone that's been a Mailman site admin on installs > of various sizes for about the past 20 years, I'm sort of looking > forward to the promises of some of the little quirks of Mailman2 > getting some love. ;-) Hi ports@ This may be tangential to aboveon python versions, but: ports/mail/mailman supports Mailman2. Mailman2 & Mailman3 are very different. Even if it's possible to bend ports/mail/mailman to support Mailman3 Please do not do it; keep it clean for just Mailman2 (Else it would cause big run time problems for user admins (inc. me)). Any who will want Mailman3 should please clone ports/mail/mailman to ports/mail/mailman3 (not ports/mail/mailman2) & work there. Thanks Cheers -- Julian Stacey, Consultant Systems Engineer, BSD Linux http://berklix.com/jhs/ http://www.berklix.org/corona/#masks 150 Euro fine or tie 2 handkerchiefs ? www.bbc.com/news/business-52304821 Brexit Dec. 2020 will hit UK more.