From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 22 14:48:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0436B14CD2; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:48:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA05987; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:18:34 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:18:34 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , Mark Murray , "Andrey A. Chernov" , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Names (was: cvs commit: src/share/colldef cs_CZ.ISO_8859-2.src Makefile) Message-ID: <19991223091834.K1316@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19991222185040.D1316@freebie.lemis.com> <18545.945851513@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <18545.945851513@critter.freebsd.dk> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moving to -chat] On Wednesday, 22 December 1999 at 9:31:53 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <19991222185040.D1316@freebie.lemis.com>, Greg Lehey writes: >> On Wednesday, 22 December 1999 at 9:08:35 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: >>> -On [19991222 06:55], Mark Murray (mark@grondar.za) wrote: >>>>> I assume that this guy's first name is Rudolf. I wonder how many >>>>> people reading this would think it's Cejka. Could we agree to put the >>>>> first first and the last last, at least for European cultures? >>>> >>>> Better - completely capitalise the surname. >>> >>> AFAIk that's only used in Japanese and likewise cultures when they are >>> using western type characters. >>> >>> I have _never_ seen it in use in Europe. >> >> It's relatively common in Central and Eastern Europe, even as close to >> you as Germany. I see it from time to time in the German chat list, >> and in Germany almost all official letters address you the wrong way >> round. In my case, it really confused people because they couldn't >> recognize a first name in either "Greg" or "Lehey". > > I had a very interesting sequence of faxes with a customer in Wien > some years back, from memory it went like: > > me to them: > bla bla bla bla > Poul-Henning Kamp > > them to me: > Dear Mr Poul Kamp, > > me to them > bla bla > Poul-Henning > > them to me: > Dear Mr Poul (Kamp) Henning, > > me to them > > bla bla > Poul-Henning Kamp > > Them to me: > > Dear Mr Poul, > > Which is your first name and which is your last name ? Strange. I would have thought that German speakers would recognize each of the components of your name for what it is. It seems to be English speakers who subdivide first names. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message