From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:18:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B492997601 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 595E3DF6 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1436566597; bh=PsVRnBY9z+12obPNwzLS8sw72qcV8C4Iz8cdgxZ+MW0=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=YfwJ1DdR6DJDtJ9ZbLbKGS59s7nHOmwpyX9JSGanbWiZABEZ97t/i8ngodoEoFZyG550cbY9+MCAkg05PPuNNVtrF6+IQ38KtXao1wVnZ0ugZIrN/IbEBattiAAudaX0S5/OONlrPddz2qLs5KWKGJoy4bU4oQMwouWQ1VWsVtsDQ4B+ZpEup4V2KJjSs9SBF+YLLixRrexX54SQAcJ6L4+IOxYI6zho1J/sLSis+tbCrxzZWpKpGo0B5Oj85d6P85YiA1oZmIT3D3FM0BEJtP0vvdmmHfbDYf2h8XQKPoiEM6vardYeWv7z4VNXXvtP9Gb3tbz2JWfRh/RSOdAqbA== Received: from [212.82.98.124] by nm33.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.66] by tm17.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:16:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:16:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 982423.47441.bm@smtp103.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: pAYoBlgVM1kIh75U9yKQ83KAaZecg5HBHa6cOB4hQ1YYE46 0TcHDMGhIF4SbgEbSPza2sM._KpEsk3X323iAuMlZ.KFtQegZkiVk5OfMPfd 1044QjeYYEQHTOlnmMQ1VRhTAtAOrRY2Efsilwbf.B_5QMSJOX39Od9FpQZT 4XBT2q9OKF_Y0nRc93zeDzS28n_mLYFaWGnLrcL8o5in3uvbjyiS2cGphAmC 3XSZJjII9FXYkZUZ0ER0K6anxHyJiSvLoyym8OjzqfjTA5cufmToGW4Ryy1. 1pmOE8n1UfbuAi.vV.qsbFIctTjOs80YZYkUoCwDmsS2PlqFUFeEbHjCzXd6 qWXKE.da2MUIo9dqFgazNgK4dT5.5F.jVx1_K3BPYBBD1rgGGophTs7cpomW .dkh.AOSGeiL5z5LxvCIcaEM9MGRW8swo2ou6VaeWTeI4qNjXsvYk41DJbrs m28IZoxAN2Iky1To2O5xOLrFZajb8g25t3L2Sn7sdTplIKcu_K5wjGgCka3B N.1mARCEksx0q1jayPHFvfRydcFF3PKXqd2ih5mhKOzOYCU9eJUPgkzFjjJI eVnA7Ww-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Message-ID: <1436566596.18451.17.camel@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:16:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20150711000551.414cfc4b@archlinux> References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <55A00F43.90908@gmail.com> <20150710212456.70c0d1db.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150711000551.414cfc4b@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:18:47 -0000 On Sat, 2015-07-11 at 00:05 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:30:21 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > This means that , claiming that "copy-left licensed software is > > more > > secure than permissive licensed software" is a groundless and > > incorrect claim . > > I agree, but there is a valid claim that doesn't depend on the > chossen > free license. > > This one: > A non-restrictive, open source OS is more secure than a restricted > OS. > But even for non-restrictive, open source operating systems there > are > differences. It has less to do with the chosen system or license, > BSD, > GNU/Linux or what ever, but with the policy. > > A FreeBSD or Arch Linux or Linux from scratch user will set up the > install, the user has much control over the install. An Ubuntu Linux > flavour user installs an environment that works out of the box, so > there is less control and it already leads to issues. > > https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do > > Today I started a discussion on several Linux mailing lists after a > Xubuntu user reported that the root password is required, when bug > report pop up windows ask to generate and send a bug report. > > IOW there are two approaches, the approach from restricted OSes, that > is used by some OOTB non-restricted open source OSes too, that > usually > claim to be user-friendly and the "real" non-restricted open source > user-centric approach. > > The non-restricted open source user-centric approach is more secure. > The approach has less to do with the chosen OS or used free license. > > 2 Cents, > Ralf PS: IOW it doesn't matter if the thingy in your satellite receiver is GPLed or has got a BSD license, since it's a so called user-friendly approach thingy. You don't have any control over this thingy.