From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 15 11:16:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0BB1065670 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBC38FC08 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBFAAF.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.250.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q8FBGRTl021844; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:16:28 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q8FBGGIM016275; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:16:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8FBFvlt044104; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:16:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201209151116.q8FBFvlt044104@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Warner Losh From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:45:06 CDT." <065A5AD8-E6F7-4634-9A20-23BA19FD915B@bsdimp.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:15:57 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:16:35 -0000 Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > As for the schedule, as has been repeatedly stated, this change will > > only affect 10.x and later. If this proposal goes ahead, the first > > FreeBSD release to not have CVS in the base will be 10.0-RELEASE - > > which (IMHO) is unlikely to appear for another year. And 9.x will > > continue to include CVS in the base and should be supported for at > > least 2 years after 10.0-RELEASE comes out. Thus, anyone currently > > relying on the base CVS has at least 3 years to plan their transition. > > One thing the project has been really *BAD* at is broadcasting this information. They don't have 3 years to plan if the only record of this decision is in email mailing lists. We need to have an UPDATING_MAJOR to list the changes from the last major release that are user visible. Otherwise they will have only "minutes" of warning when they install 10.0. > > Warner Yes, more info/warning would be good, especially for those not [always] tracking lists &/or all releases. Maybe add a "road map" under http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ so people can see where FreeBSD is headed, exported in Ascii to src/SOMETHING (& with URL to newest version on web) ? PS if one goes to http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ & clicks "Release Documentation" it breaks going to http://www.freebsd.org/releases/relnotes.html should be http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes.html No need to report, I just did with send-pr. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.