From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 07:31:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C529C37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4806D43FB1 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:31:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0051.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.51] helo=mindspring.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 190kDN-0001ZQ-00; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:31:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3E8B01F2.B3E02FC8@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:29:54 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Schultz References: <3E8AED1B.10606@jocose.org> <3E8AEFBF.D1D640E3@mindspring.com> <3E8AFB2F.3040701@jocose.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4815ed0c6e37358739ba83da35aa9f7ec350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing Sendmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:31:52 -0000 Peter Schultz wrote: > Why not just have these logged by default instead? Like /var/log/daily, > and whatnot. Anyone with half a care about this stuff can easily make > their own modifications, those who don't care will never know the > difference. Because syslog is unreliable. See "BUGS" section of the man page. > I'm sorry for beating a dead horse. That's OK; it happens every CERT advisory, and every time someone dails to install Postfix or whatever. > I'm just hoping core > will say, "submit a working solution and it will be done," so that > there's a little inspiration here. Not likely; that's not really the function of "core". They aren't the architectural board, or the people concerned with the installer, they are a governing body and a court of last appeal. If you look over the historical cases of this discussion, you'll see that the answer always comes down to "make the system more modular, so people can replace XXX with YYY and quit bothering us; please send patches". 8-) 8-). -- Terry