From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 10 17:23:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF1A154AA; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:23:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12898; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:23:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd012866; Thu Jun 10 17:23:46 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA20724; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:23:39 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199906110023.RAA20724@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Matt's Commit status (was Re: 3.2-stable, panic #12) To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:23:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: thorpej@nas.nasa.gov, dyson@iquest.net, dillon@apollo.backplane.com, Thu@apollo.backplane.com, 3@FreeBSD.ORG, Jun@FreeBSD.ORG, 1999@FreeBSD.ORG, 23.-0500@apollo.backplane.com, nate@mt.sri.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199906050948.TAA17548@cimlogic.com.au> from "John Birrell" at Jun 5, 99 07:48:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For what it's worth, and to throw another hat into the fray, it seems to me that two things are driving the tension here: 1) Matt is effectively in a position where he no longer has to work, and can now dedicate a significant amount of focussed effort over long intervals at FreeBSD code. 2) The review process currently in force requires review by people who do not have such a luxury of time in which to review the code Matt produces; stated simply: they can't keep up. Having been in a similar position, where an employer was having me spend 8 hours a day working on filesystem code, the changes to which were 85%-90% applicable to FreeBSD, I can sympathize with Matts position. As FreeBSD becomes more and more mainstream (some of you may have heard about IBM's recent acquisition of Whistle, or their bid for FreeBSD based machines to school districts in Hong Kong: that's about as mainstream as FreeBSD can get), the number of people with an equivalent of Matts available time and energy to focus on FreeBSD coding can only increase. I don't know "the simple answer" to the dilemma posed by FreeBSD's increasing success; however, it is clear to me that there is a need to look for such an answer, and to find one -- the sooner the better. Perhaps all of you can discuss this issue at the FreeBSD BOF at Usenix. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message