From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sun Apr 12 12:29:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E1B2BCD11 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:29:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490WKW6VgVz43yD for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:29:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id a201so7057937wme.1 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:29:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aV3Zv1m7AtlCTOAXcF2RbmlaYb/zB0jU1XGeWUIr9ZU=; b=hxDIXR95nmDWlD2n7vxqvaNjRV2HWHZ+sgbaWBuZWWuAZV48mzPbMDmfALXqbcTqkf J/9RYQiW7B+WeSkz2/x978zBo0B07p8w/4qFGR/w7dJ4H8ji4QGxtEwQC2BxaJXB2r9j 3Zd2lES0COV2tLw48CC1RXcxhKNRSBwJ9Tzbh9KgYONRsCQU+9JFVCK/0U6UcN3wykjw imNjd3MYMc1zDdhS0RqsiYk9AEgfYZ7ltEnSZpX3Zl/Bl3sHxH+/S7qvMk4r/0OuNPLN FpihmGlDXV/gGRNrqdzZI1E+maBEkIVb7FtF0hXANvMk+5HSswqhBkksQfPRs62DOS8O 58DQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZJvWZNpeoTqwePuDux1GydgaKlzSW2IpdNyykNA5TRoN0UbNai fIkEXoj4YA9l88Ehn7mWLMZh8T74 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKgM5tDT2RUxKdMdzS23bSly2qkvBjjnfHJVUun/VIq0xDyKVrwGVv1G2HY8rk23/N5qwL5qA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:b144:: with SMTP id a65mr15011440wmf.54.1586694590088; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.221.67.77]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b66sm10706661wmh.12.2020.04.12.05.29.48 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:29:47 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience Message-ID: <20200412132947.202b0ede@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20200412064733.GB25313@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <20200410061248.GK4213@funkthat.com> <20200411004620.GL4213@funkthat.com> <7E83538A-9360-4B0D-9190-6E3A675C53DD@gmail.com> <20200412064733.GB25313@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 490WKW6VgVz43yD X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[77.67.221.2.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-8.84), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.35), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:29:53 -0000 On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:47:33 +0200 Piotr P. Stefaniak wrote: > On 2020-04-11 14:32:36, Enji Cooper wrote: >=20 > >> Yeah, history isn't kept by default, not sure if there's an option > >> to keep it, if there is, I don't see it in the man page, and > >> ctrl-r doesn't work either. =20 > > > > There is history support, but it=E2=80=99s not on by default and > > it=E2=80=99s not spelled the same way as other shells (I don=E2=80=99t = think > > it=E2=80=99s persistent between shell invocations, however): =20 >=20 > But the commands history isn't persistent, is it? That together with > command completion (as opposed to file name completion, which is > already there) is very important to have, in my opinion. /bin/sh is a lightweight shell for executing system shell scripts. It's not really there to be a long-term login shell.=20