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Date:      Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:19:55 -0600
From:      "Michael C . Wu" <keichii@iteration.net>
To:        Michael Richards <michael@fastmail.ca>
Cc:        freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Stable Support for AS1200
Message-ID:  <20010206231955.B13708@peorth.iteration.net>
In-Reply-To: <3A80D178.00021D.01465@frodo.searchcanada.ca>; from michael@fastmail.ca on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:39:20PM -0500
References:  <3A80D178.00021D.01465@frodo.searchcanada.ca>

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On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:39:20PM -0500, Michael Richards scribbled:
| I just got a pair of AlphaServer 1200's (Dual 533 CPU). I know very 
| little about the Alpha but I chose these machines because they were 
| very inexpensive and because I knew there was a FreeBSD port.

They are also quite fast for that age.

| When I got the first machine I downloaded the boot floppy and 
| attempted to install. Reading the mailing list posts it doesn't look 
| like it will work and certainly not support SMP. Is this accurate 
| info or is it based on outdated info? 

It is accurate info.  No SMP on FreeBSD/Alpha

| I know one thing for certain, I'm not going to pay $7800 CAD per 
| server for a Tru64 license!

Sad truth is that you would get SMP out of using Linux.

I do know that Linux/Alpha does not scale very well according to
IBM Linux Technology Center internal documents that I have read. 
i.e. For a quad 21264 system, Linux/Alpha scales to 2.9-3 / 4 CPU's
(Linux gets only 3 CPU performance out of having 4 processors.
The comparison is zeroed against a Linux 2.4 UP kernel.)

However, 3/4 CPU scalability is, sadly, much better than running
FreeBSD/Alpha, because you only get to use one processor.

| What are my options as far as FreeBSD-Alpha goes? Is it reasonable to 

Really, not much.

| expect the same level of stability as I have seen (hardware aside) 
| from our Intel based FreeBSD boxen?

Yes, if you are willing to use only one processor.

In addition, Compaq released the DECUnix CC compiler for Linux
for free.  This makes all binaries compiled by the CCC compiler
faster and smaller.  If you use FreeBSD/Alpha, the Compaq CC is
in the Ports.
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