Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:11:03 -0600 From: Karl Denninger <karl@Denninger.Net> To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me Message-ID: <20000102211103.A27302@Denninger.Net> In-Reply-To: <20000103025550.C6A1B14EAC@hub.freebsd.org>; from Jonathan M. Bresler on Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:55:50PM -0800 References: <20000103025550.C6A1B14EAC@hub.freebsd.org>
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On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:55:50PM -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@hub.freebsd.org>
> To: karl@Denninger.Net
> Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG
> In-reply-to: <20000102185017.C26655@Denninger.Net> (message from Karl
> Denninger on Sun, 2 Jan 2000 18:50:17 -0600)
> Subject: Recent cat fighting in the FreeBSD mailing lists.
> Message-Id: <20000103025001.7861714F06@hub.freebsd.org>
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 18:50:01 -0800 (PST)
> Sender: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG
>
>
> Karl,
>
> Hi, my name is Jonathan Bresler. I am the postmaster for
> FreeBSD. Usually, I tend to stay in the background and do the
> postmastering. The recent fractious behavior in the mailing lists has
> become so galling that I am forced to "come out from behind the
> curtain."
>
> Lets set the record straight on a couple items:
>
> 1. Karl, you are still subscribed to both of the "missing" mailing
> lists. I disabled the "which" command for those two lists:
> freebsd-arch and freebsd-security-notifications. That is why your
> subscription to those two lists did not appear when you sent the
> "which " request to majordomo.
That's not the issue.
Someone logged into HUB the EDITED me out of the CURRENT mailing list.
You are mis-representing the facts. Exactly what I expect from CORE.
> 2. I remove people that bounce mail. I dont send them email to tell
> them that I am reomving them for bouncing mail....I sincerely expect
> that the notification email would bounce. A bounced email is one that
> appears in the list(s)-owners mailbox on hub. So, sites with problems
> that do *not* result in immediate bounces and that fix their mail
> problems before the email is aged out of the queue, dont have to
> worry. If you suspect that you have been removed, or that I might
> remove you, send me an email...explain that you have been having a
> mail problem and when you expect the problem to be resolved.
That's not the issue either. Again, someone logged into HUB and
removed me.
Again, who was su'd or logged into the majordomo account (or any account
with write access to the list directories) a few hours ago?
> 3. Everyone, the FreeBSD mailing lists are a community resource.
> While there are many lists. There is only one set of lists. We all
> share in that set of lists. When one or more people significantly
> degrade the quality of the lists, the only option is to remove that
> person from the lists. I have done this about six times in my role as
> postmaster these past 5 or 6 years.
Yeah, so who's the asshole who signed in and removed me?
> 4. Core recently published guidelines for committers. These
> guidelines included a minimal acceptable behavior standard. The recent
> emails fail to come within a country mile of meeting those standards.
> Which perhaps does not matter as the author is not a committer.
> Nonetheless, the author is degrading our mailing lists and I am
> empowered to act on behalf to the project to prevent people from
> degrading the quality of the lists.
>
> It seems that today around 4:51pm PST, Karl unsubscribed from
> freebsd-{security,hackers,ports,scsi}.
Yes, *AFTER* I was removed by a fraud who signed into HUB. *I* unsubscribed
from those lists LATER, after resubscribing to current, posting my "where"
command, and making it known that someone else had been tampering.
Go look at the DATE AND TIME STAMPED messages, AND the logs on hub.
Or would you prefer to protect the GUILTY?
> So what's the upshot of all this?
>
> Karl, take a two week sabbatical from the FreeBSD mailing lists.
> Consider it enforced leave. I will remove you from the remaining two
> mailing lists: freebsd-{announce,security-notifications}.
Jonathan, two words for you: Go Stuff.
Got it?
It ain't a two-week sabbatical. Its a permanent one. You and your
blow-hard assholes can go shove this "enforced leave" up your puny pucker
and leave it there until it explodes. I beg in front of NOBODY, and
that goes double for puny-brained cowards such as yourself who try to
deliberately cover up for the unethical and inappropriate actions of
other "annointed ones".
You DISGUST me.
I've had it.
You Lord-Mighty-and-all-things-shitheaded have pulled this crap before.
Yes, YOU. YOU is a plural Jonathan, for YOU speak for CORE.
YOU identify as CORE and Postmaster. I want to know who the person was
who su'd on Hub and removed me from the lists.
I want that person ejected from your systems and publically called out for
what they did. IN PUBLIC.
I know damn well you won't do it, but the call remains the same, and until
and unless you *DO* take this action your posting here is nothing other than
YET ANOTHER fraud and piece of deceit.
You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to cover up the actions of a
member of your own crew. Yet that is EXACTLY what I have come to expect
from FreeBSD-CORE - insular, treehouse behavior unfitting of anything except
public illumination.
Walnut Creek should be ashamed. And once again, for the second time in
two years, I will be compelled to send a letter to Walnut Creek telling
them not only of YOUR little band's actions, but also the fact that I
will actively encourage people NOT to buy their CDROMs, NOT to subscribe
to their pay-for-update services, and to instead TAKE what they want
without renumeration.
Why? Because no firm that SPONSORS the kind of bullshit that THEY DO
deserves my support, and I will make damn sure that everyone who I have
contact with knows why!
> That's all folks! I am going back "behind the curtain" to
> continue my spam fighting efforts. Try to behave a little better out
> here. Some of the mailing list subscribers are trying to sleep.
Yeah, sleep is about it.
It goes right together with covering up the truth.
Something you and Paol are so very, very good at, and which is at the
ROOT of this entire controversy.
Some day, you will have integrity.
It will not be today.
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