From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 12 14:28:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F401626; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x22c.google.com (mail-qa0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13CEF95A; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id n8so7816065qaq.3; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:28:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=LTefcjofe58A+0MD1yKK/kFsSvMRQ2pSc+0wjEoJw9E=; b=o8l/0Ir8GsnlQQuMYQ7htji+MtRi+biZh8JWYIU01hnyCIMKqDyDmDnrYOMckxTvku 4kmFXTVSAT2dYGBUuz/yKliDe49gNVbvYCstd5EWNliWlf2FZJ2Qh6R/FYLjQnkvOUSR SnYXOlze0AGfExqVGr4JgqOxXeIknojVKQJbiGpd2v3wRZZva8eqNwJl7fQpzgTFyil/ /ifdUbTh4ZcmEQCFlioBeyYCKccrKAi6HwrvODEV/kz+ya71i04sU9NiBKEULebyAwAm x+D9myIsssalR3Bepy2UqLOFkmRwMc/z9j/oa80Xrfd2FKpjqkkrCVyedlH13U9IDZKm 7QfQ== X-Received: by 10.140.100.226 with SMTP id s89mr10598317qge.96.1423751294223; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:28:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: carpeddiem@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.39.209 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:27:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54DC2F5B.8080709@freebsd.org> References: <20150212023912.GG1302@hub.FreeBSD.org> <1423713360.80968.89.camel@freebsd.org> <20150212041158.GH1302@hub.FreeBSD.org> <1423714981.80968.100.camel@freebsd.org> <20150212042857.GJ1302@hub.FreeBSD.org> <54DC2F5B.8080709@freebsd.org> From: Ed Maste Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:27:53 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: p4VWk2lZ2j6X7S9TAAmeakTNm1I Message-ID: Subject: Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default To: Alfred Perlstein Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Glen Barber , FreeBSD Current , Ian Lepore X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:28:15 -0000 On 11 February 2015 at 23:43, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Agreed, SMALL platforms should turn off at decision of those platform > maintainers. Won't fight to keep debug default on for arm, that's for sure. Actually, it's even more important that we build and store debug files for ARM releases. Consider a user running FreeBSD on a Raspberry Pi, using an image they downloaded and dd'd onto an SD card. The advice "rebuild with debug data and try to reproduce the issue" is more absurd there than on a big amd64 machine. All of this concerns what is on the installation media and in the release package sets, though, and not necessarily the default setting of the knob. It is technically possible for the release builds to enable debug files but leave the default off in the tree, although there are disadvantages of doing so.