From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 22:53:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 015B73E2 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 22:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0782896 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 22:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s6IMrC26061138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:53:12 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7154054C-47D0-454C-8601-3F17095476EC@lafn.org> References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> <53C8E2A7.6000000@my.hennepintech.edu> To: Andrew Berg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 22:53:15 -0000 On 18 July 2014, at 14:37, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 > On 18 July 2014, at 02:02, Andrew Berg = wrote: >=20 >> On 2014.07.18 03:40, Doug Hardie wrote: >>> This gets even more interesting. Unfortunately I do need to = makeworld as sendmail needs SMTP-AUTH and that requires a rebuild. >> Then there is no reason to use freebsd-update at at all. >>=20 >>> That is the date/time when I did the buildworld/buildkernel. = kern.osrelease and kern.version show the same thing. So, now I don't = know if I am running 9.2, 9.3, or a 9.2 kernel and 9.3 world. There = must be some way to tell. >> The best thing to do since you need to build world and kernel is to = just use >> svn and do all updates via source. freebsd-update does nothing for = you. Grab a >> completely new copy of the 9.3 source with svn and then build and = install it. >> I'd recommend rolling back to whatever you had before the update = before doing so. >>=20 >> freebsd-version may have been backported to 9 with 9.3. If so, you = can use it. >> Also, 9.2 kernel with 9.3 world is not likely to be functional since = kernels >> have no guarantee of forward-compatibility (9.3 kernel and 9.2 world = would >> probably be fine, though). >>=20 >=20 >=20 > svn doesn't work either: >=20 > svn checkout https://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/release/9.3.0 = /usr/src >=20 > The latest version of UPDATING I get is from 20130705. The web = repository shows the latest entry as 20140716. I have used FreeBSD = since 2.5.4 and it used to be easy to manage. Now its virtually = impossible. Complete reinstalls on production systems are just not = viable. We need a working way to upgrade. I haven't found it yet. I finally deleted all of /usr/src and /usr/obj and ran the above svn = checkout again. This time the UPDATING file shows the 20140716 entry. = I have started building the system again. We will see what we get this = time. Its fascinating to see that in order to upgrade you have to = delete everything and then reload it all across the internet multiple = times=85