From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 20:41:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8029316A418 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail5out.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4174613C478 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail5out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 872CD22189E4; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:41:44 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <47546A0800011205981186@BarNet> Received: from mail5auth.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail5auth.barnet.com.au", Issuer "*.barnet.com.au" (verified OK)) by mail5.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510F221B16B0; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:41:44 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (k7.mavetju.org [10.251.1.18]) by mail5auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0357D2218952; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:41:44 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A9EB124F; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:41:43 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:41:43 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071203204143.GB42811@k7.mavetju> References: <200712030308.32301.david@vizion2000.net> <475449B9.1010002@gmail.com> <475451F4.7040000@chuckr.org> <200712031206.13032.david@vizion2000.net> <47545ECA.9020507@FreeBSD.org> <475460A1.1030302@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <475460A1.1030302@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:41:46 -0000 On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 03:01:37PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > Now, stop this thread, stop the discussion, build something, and > > come back, if you cannot code or produce something with whatever > > you think the tree should be using, then .... *silence*. > > I know this will get me flamed but I wonder if any of the people who > are saying just code it have ever worked at a level higher then being > a coder and/or have taken sys. anany. in school. There are (at least) two things required for a mind-change: A design (which you understand that is needed) and a proof of concept (which people keep asking for). Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/