From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 1 06:40:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C9D16A4B3; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D5643FE9; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:40:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h91Demus009774; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id h91DelCt009773; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:40:47 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20031001134047.GG7856@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030929085232.GC1242@freebsdmall.com> <20030929101901.GA7708@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20031001084857.GE17050@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: re@freebsd.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: 4.9-RC1 (i386) available on ftp-master X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:40:52 -0000 On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 09:55:32PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > as ken has pointed out there are lots of mirrors that just try to > grab everything and it's not smart for them to do so blindly. Working on a compromise would be nice. If what appears to have happened is going to stand as-is a VERY nice thing happened. We have already distributed ports/i386/packages-4.9-release so one of the two huge/painful transfers that would be associated with a 4.X release has already happened. I'm still new to watching over releases this closely so I can't say for sure but I think this is relatively rare - I think it's normal for the pre-release builds to just point to packages-4-stable and the release packages got posted much closer to release day. If that is correct, thanks portmgr@ folks. This should be a BIG help. If just one isolated FTP server was used for the beta releases I would be afraid that we would lose this aspect of a release and we would be back to having the entire thing loaded onto ftp-master all at once six hours before the Release announcement. On the other hand as Jason points out if re@'s expectations for the Betas/RC's are this "low" we have just wasted a huge amount of bandwidth and disk space all over the world. > i'd also look at excluding RCs, Alphas and Beta releases from the > archival system ken - comments ? I have been talking about "archiving" on several mail lists and in two different contexts so I'm going to try and say this as clearly as possible but some of you might not understand it (sorry, I know even that doesn't make sense). As far as the FreeBSD-Archive site is concerned it will contain only release bits, it will not contain any of the RC's, alpha releases, beta releases, snapshots, etc. Some of the people receiving this will have heard me talking about archiving stuff on ftp-master before it gets removed from the main site. I will be archiving everything that I propose be removed from the main site including beta releases, etc to /home/archive on ftp-master. However after some time period (six months?) the non-release stuff would be a candidate for being removed whenever we get to the point /home on ftp-master starts to get a bit full. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel |