From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 4 16:13:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3F53C7788 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 16:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BjjQp1qPhz4GYK for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 16:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2B494E655 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 11:13:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: OT: proof that Linux is brain damaged To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200904104811.b08f24d8f0397e77cef01cbd@aim.com> <20200904181205.78cbb979@archlinux> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <96896a75-3b65-1e9b-e7d2-5ddd6cc4b111@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 11:13:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200904181205.78cbb979@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BjjQp1qPhz4GYK X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.33 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.37)[-0.367]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.25)[0.253]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.34)[0.341]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:13:38 -0000 On 2020-09-04 11:12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 10:48:11 -0400, Vlad D. Markov wrote: >> When criticizing systemd, I think the criticism should be directed at >> the distributions forcing its use. Linux doesn't have much to do with >> it. > > Apart from the embedded systems you described, it's probably not wise > if a Linux distro diverts from using systemd, since systemd is quasi > the standard init system and it's bundled with at least udev. > Maintaining a different init system, while maintaining udev or > something else from systemd, for usage without systemd, seems to me way > to much effort, even when being in favour of Linux. However, if > somebody is really that tired of Linux, as the OP is, I wouldn't care > about Linux at all, especially not since the OP doesn't need to search > for an operating system that fits to his needs. He already seems to be > satisfied with FreeBSD, so there's no problem at all. My sentiment exactly. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++