From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Nov 17 15:51:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from monorchid.lemis.com (monorchid.lemis.com [192.109.197.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FA937B419 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by monorchid.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 888B57855F; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:21:06 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:21:06 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Kent Stewart , Anthony Atkielski , Axel Scheepers , Sudirman Hassan , "Andrew C. 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On Saturday, 17 November 2001 at 2:36:33 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > Which version of FreeBSD are you using? Based on your setiathome time, > it has to be a fairly slow machine. How do you determine that? The time just shows how long it has been running for. On Saturday, 17 November 2001 at 12:54:44 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Kent asks: > >> Which version of FreeBSD are you using? > > 4.3. The kernel is identical to GENERIC except that I disabled Ctrl-Alt-Del for > boot. See below. This is possibly part of the problem. >> Based on your setiathome time, it has to be a fairly slow machine. > > The processor is supposedly an AMD Athlon XP at 1.5 MHz, although I > have no easy way to confirm this. Well, yes, you did later on with your dmesg output. >> I am curious about the rest of the system. > > The motherboard is a Chaintech 7AIA5 (or perhaps 7AIA5E, I'm not sure which). > The CPU fan is running at 4551 RPM most of the time, and the CPU temperature is > 47-48 degrees Celsius, as reported by the BIOS. The system temperature is 39 > degrees Celsius. Looks OK. On Saturday, 17 November 2001 at 13:00:52 +0100, Axel Scheepers wrote: > On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 12:54:44PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> Kent asks: >> >>> Which version of FreeBSD are you using? >> >> 4.3. The kernel is identical to GENERIC except that I disabled Ctrl-Alt-Del for >> boot. > > You might consider upgrading to 4.4-STABLE or apply the appropiate security > patches for 4.3 since there are some vulnerabilities in it. Just use cvsup to > fetch the sources and do a make world in your /usr/src. That might be a worthwhile thing to do, but what makes you think this could be a security issue? On Saturday, 17 November 2001 at 4:22:57 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > >> Kent asks: >> >> >>> Which version of FreeBSD are you using? >>> >> >> 4.3. The kernel is identical to GENERIC except that I disabled >> Ctrl-Alt-Del for >> boot. > > > There are some exploits in 4.3. If you aren't running them, someone > could have played tag with one of your daemons. That could prompt a > mysterious reboot. This doesn't really fit the "spontaneous reboot during cron job" syndrome. It reminds me more of Microsoft users blaming any crash on viruses. >> The motherboard is a Chaintech 7AIA5 (or perhaps 7AIA5E, I'm not >> sure which). The CPU fan is running at 4551 RPM most of the time, >> and the CPU temperature is 47-48 degrees Celsius, as reported by >> the BIOS. The system temperature is 39 degrees Celsius. > > I have a 900 t'bird and it doesn't run quite that hot. I have it in > the basement where the temperature stays under 70 degrees unless I > turn the heat on. Considering he's running a different processor and is keeping it 100% busy, this seems fine. On Saturday, 17 November 2001 at 22:49:12 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > I'm debating whether it is really a good idea to run setiathome. I > don't care as long as it's not putting a strain on anything, but if > it's going to make things so warm that they become unreliable, I'll > pass. The processor managed 54 hours or so of seti@home. It crashed during a cron job. I don't think I'd blame seti@home. On Saturday, 17 November 2001 at 11:14:08 -0500, Andrew C. Hornback wrote: > On Saturday, November 17, 2001 6:55 AM unspecified time zone, Anthony Atkielski wrote >> The processor is supposedly an AMD Athlon XP at 1.5 MHz, although I >> have no easy way to confirm this. The machine is brand-new. > > Cutting edge technology... gotta love it. *shakes his head* Useless platitudes. Got to hate them. > What chipset does that motherboard use? Or is it even > possible to find out? IIRC, Chaintech was part of the PC Chips > line. If that's true, that would be a poor excuse for a motherboard > based on my experience with PC Chips products. Specifics? > Check your RAM, make sure it's properly rated for the speeds > you're running at. If the machine is dying in the middle of a cron > job which does the standard system checks, you may also want to do > some stress testing on the disk subsection. Also check dmesg for > any anomalous readings (cards that don't show up, hardware that's > detected but "unknown", etc.) The disks are the obvious thing to look at, since seti@home keeps RAM busy as well. On Saturday, 17 November 2001 at 23:00:34 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Andrew writes: > >> What chipset does that motherboard use? > > VIA KT133A/KTE133 + VT82C686B AGPset Now we're getting closer. There were problems with IDE data corruption and the VT82C686B. sos committed a fix to -CURRENT about 2 months ago: sos 2001/09/25 10:10:39 PDT Modified files: sys/dev/ata ata-pci.c Log: Add a fix for the VIA82C686B data corruption bug. This fixed the problem on the 3 platforms I've been able to test on. I'm still of the oppinion that the BIOS should take care of this, however some board makers only apply this when they spot a SBLive! soundcard, but the problem exists even without a SBLive!. This fix should probably go somewhere else, but for now I'll keep it here since we havn't got a central place to put such things. Revision Changes Path 1.11 +51 -19 src/sys/dev/ata/ata-pci.c He doesn't appear to have MFCd to -STABLE. You should probably get in touch with him. I'm not copying him here, because I don't think he'll read through all this message. >> If the machine is dying in the middle of a cron job which does the >> standard system checks, you may also want to do some stress testing >> on the disk subsection. > > It just has an ordinary IDE disk, nothing fancy. It doesn't need to be fancy. > CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1500+ (1335.63-MHz 686-class CPU) Here's the evidence of your processor and its speed. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message