From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 1 19:41: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432BD37B401 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9428F43EDC for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:40:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB322A7EA; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:40:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: kientzle@acm.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: devd, crunchgen, C++, and /rescue In-Reply-To: <3E134AB2.8030401@acm.org> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:40:55 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030102034055.4DB322A7EA@canning.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tim Kientzle wrote: > I'm slowly tracking down the remaining minor issues with > my all-static crunchgen-ed /rescue implementation. This > includes pretty much everything from /bin and /sbin, as > well as a few useful tools from /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. > > However, I've just run into an ugly problem. > > Specifically, devd is now written in C++ > (as of a few weeks ago) and crunchgen does > _not_ play well with C++ programs. > > For now, this means that devd will not be in > /rescue. I'm not entirely happy about this. > > Policy question: Is C++ considered acceptable in /bin > and /sbin? (I presume so, since Warner's doing it.) > > Technical Question: Does anyone know how to get > crunchgen to play nicely with C++ programs? (I've > tried a couple of simple changes to the generated > makefile with no success.) > > Usability Question: How necessary is devd likely to > be for people recovering from serious disaster? > (Imagine that /usr, /bin, and /sbin are all broken. > Will some people require devd to get a network adapter > or hot-plug CD-ROM running, for example?) Personally, I dont think it is a big deal. /rescue is for the case where normal system services are hosed and you want as little running as possible, and the only things that run are what you specifically run. I cannot think of anything that devd might do that a sysadmin who is competent enough to rescue a dead system that doesn't have /usr mounted couldn't do also. I'd prefer to run dhclient by hand anyway thank you. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message