From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 5 23:15:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from happy.checkpoint.com (kinata.checkpoint.com [199.203.156.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161B937BDAC for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:15:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mellon@pobox.com) Received: (from mellon@localhost) by happy.checkpoint.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22571; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:17:26 GMT (envelope-from mellon@pobox.com) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:17:26 +0000 From: Anatoly Vorobey To: Alex Belits Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unicode on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000406081726.A22343@happy.checkpoint.com> References: <200004060101.LAA05805@mycenae.ilion.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 08:02:28PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 08:02:28PM -0700, Alex Belits wrote: > > Can you guess, which one of of multiple cyrillic charsets never was > actually used in Russia? > > ISO 8859-5. It's actually being used quite often now by users of MS Outlook 2000 (those of them not sophisticated enough to select their own outgoing encoding). > And which is still the standard in Russian-language newsgroups, > for russian Unix users and most of Russian-language web pages? Cyrillic!=Russian. > koi8-r, one of the oldest cyrillic charsets, primarily designed to keep This is untrue. cp1251 is used in almost all Russian web pages, and koi8-r is the minority (for no good reason, of course, primarily because too many people never learned to set the right charset in the outgoing HTTP headers). > "intuitive" mapping to ASCII, to remain usable after passing through > characters-mangling old software and to be readable on 7-bit dumb > terminals -- and the last mentioned property is still saving a lot of > trouble for Russians that use mail-to-pager systems. History is more > complex than some people think. And with all its attractive properties, it's still missing the letter "yat'" that I need. It's there in Unicode, of course (and in 8859-5). -- Anatoly Vorobey, mellon@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~mellon/ "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly" - G.K.Chesterton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message