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Date:      Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:24:33 +0200
From:      Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net>
To:        Alexander Yerenkow <yerenkow@gmail.com>
Cc:        portscout@portscout.zi0r.com, Radim Kolar <hsn@filez.com>, Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com>, Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com>, ports@freebsd.org, Shane Ambler <FreeBSD@shaneware.biz>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date
Message-ID:  <20121129092433.GA5519@straylight.m.ringlet.net>
In-Reply-To: <CAPJF9wkx2uxQR7o5wh%2BM5%2BMW6JJ46FQnW0U0=A1agR_5FY9p%2BA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 09:06:59PM +0200, Alexander Yerenkow wrote:
> 2012/11/28 Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com>
>=20
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Alexander Yerenkow <yerenkow@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > In that case, near each port should be.mntr contact mentioned, to.mak=
e it
> > > easier for anyone to contact mntr immediately, instead making additio=
nal
> > > unnecessary steps.
> >
> > I suspect that you are missing the fact that all ports which lack a
> > specific maintainer (most of them) are maintained by ports@. So the
> > messages to ports are only for the vast array of ports that are
> > unmaintained. There is no one else to contact.
> >
> > Ideally, if someone has a little free time, they can look at the list
> > and pick a couple to update and submit the update in a PR to ports
> > with a category of "update". Or even better, become the maintainer,
> > yourself. I have been maintainer for a couple of ports that were
> > critical to my work, so I could be sure that they would be updated
> > promptly.
> >
>=20
> Not exactly :) My suggestion about including current maintainer contact
> info was about this part of discussion:
>=20
>  >>Probably more to the point is that it shouldn't get sent to the ports
>  >>mailing list - just to port maintainers.
> >Did you ever think that sending it to the list might motivate someone el=
se
> to take over the port?
> >There's a reason ports get out of date. One of the reasons is because the
> port maintainer has lost interest or no longer has the time. If people on
> the list see it, someone who is motivated might update the >port and end =
up
> being its new maintainer.
>=20
> So, my thought was, if you ever came to sending portscout messages with
> alive maintainer to all ports@ list, would be nice to see contacts
> immediately.
> You could learn that some maintainer is inactive last time, and next time
> you see update for his port, you could get it to work.
> Something like that.

But this is exactly the point - portscout *only* sends messages to the
e-mail address listed in the port's MAINTAINER line.  If portscout's
message goes to the ports@FreeBSD.org list, then there *is* no active
maintainer - what Paul means is that the maintainer has lost interest
(or the ability / resources / time to work on the port) and somebody has
reset the port's maintainership to ports@FreeBSD.org.

G'luck,
Peter

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