From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 19 22:34:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDE7106566B for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from kozubik.com (kozubik.com [69.43.165.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AD18FC12 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from kozubik.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kozubik.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m5JMvUEK073415; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:57:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by kozubik.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id m5JMvUeZ073412; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:57:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozubik To: Pietro Cerutti In-Reply-To: <485AD73C.4080605@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <485AD73C.4080605@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:34:08 -0000 On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Pietro Cerutti wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > John Kozubik wrote: > | > | Don't shoot the messenger: > | > | > | FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to > | support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. > > gnash-devel provides flash 9 and works pretty well... That's why I discounted that as a solution. I am a FreeBSD desktop user, not a FreeBSD desktop developer. I, and many others, do not have time to hack around with gnash working "pretty well". I'm not trying to discount thier efforts, but Adobe makes an honest to god release version of flash for Linux, and FreeBSD runs linux binaries very well. I think this is the right direction to move in, especially if maintenance and support are (hopefully) going to be provided in some official capacity by the project itself. The key point here is that flash support has changed qualitatively from being something convenient and helpful to being _absolutely necessary_ for any kind of day to day work with a web browser[1]. That is why I am suggesting that the FreeBSD project itself take an official interest in making sure that it works. [1] A sad commentary, especially when most flash content is completely superfluous, often providing nothing but static images and/or text.